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Ok so I haven’t been up into a corner of my property for a whole year because it’s a bedding area
Today we walked through
I found a corn feeder not a cheap one a trail cam a barrel of corn and a soft blind with chair. Plus a tree stand
trees have been cut at the ground and branches removed
What to do now?
One level 0-10 I’m at 15
“When government becomes a law breaker, it breeds contempt for law”
Call the police. Let them deal with it.
I have a name
That chit is mine now right
If they have enough balls they can ask for it back
Won’t go well for them I assure you
Oh and fresh survey stakes
This is are control ML season week till sunday
“When government becomes a law breaker, it breeds contempt for law”
The way I see it, you haven't stole their gear, you just found it? You're keeping it in safe storage until the proper owner can be found, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by js4fn
It looks to me like they disposed of it illegally on his property, maybe it would be best if they do not claim it and get charged for dumping.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
Leaving a note is a good way to let them know you have the stuff.......and if it was a legitimate mistake they will contact you, if they knowingly were on your place, they most likely walk away.
See the thicker brushy trees that’s the way this whole area was thick under brush
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All fall I couldn’t figure out why deer travel patterns changed so much
Now I know
Doesn’t look like a casual trespasser ?
“When government becomes a law breaker, it breeds contempt for law”
If your property was properly marked-i do not say yes or no,but if it was:they knowingly trespassed with a purpose of hunting.Big no-no.
Their stuff you can take away-and store them, as you please.
Leave a note-contact me for your stuff.
if they do-you figure out what they are about,if they do not-you just got a heap of good and free stuff.
Then:
Next year you need to do some steps to prevent this from reoccurring.
look at it in a positive way, you have some new gear and a fresh baited spot to hunt LOL. Like others said it could be an honest mistake. Why would you trespass and leave good equipment behind. Talk to neighbouring owners that boarder your property and ask if they granted permission to someone that may have crossed properties by accident .
That is a lot of corn residue under that feeder. They have been feeding for sometime
MNR should require proof of hunting property before selling tags
“When government becomes a law breaker, it breeds contempt for law”
So if someone only hunts crownland they get no tags?Quote:
Originally Posted by js4fn
No snowwalker because you have permission to hunt crown land do you notQuote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
“When government becomes a law breaker, it breeds contempt for law”
"Oh and fresh survey stakes" you said. That tells me right away that they believe they are on their own property. Maybe it was recently sold and that's why the pins are there. Maybe check with the municipality. Good luck getting it worked out.
Cheers
Fresh survey stakes? Any chances that you're mistaken as to property lines? It happens more than you'd think. I know many landowners that were surprised by surveys. You really need to be on point with this before removing someone's gear. Mistakes can be very costly. Once you're positive with proof of property lines,you need to properly post the property. Then,if you need to get forceful,you have all the horses on your side.Quote:
Originally Posted by js4fn
Bad idea,BUT,proof of access with written permission would go a lot further than giving an "anti" government something else to beat on us with.Quote:
Originally Posted by js4fn
Sorry , but I do not understand that answer. Are you saying you should need to own huntable land , to get a tag to hunt?Quote:
Originally Posted by js4fn
I hunt county forest and this one spot I ran into a fence and no trespassing signs about 100 m before getting to the edge of the property based on 2 different GPS units. Now either they are wrong or the Ontario parcel fabric layer I downloaded is wrong.
Who's property is next to yours?!? I'd just go talk to your neighbors.
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And you guys wonder why land owners won’t give permission
Or maybe you like the guys way who has 200 ac 6-7 miles down the roads idea. Everyone’s request is a sure you can hunt my property last I talked with him he’s up to 109 ppl
I paid for the survey 6 years ago no it’s not neighbours hunting my property and it’s a open bean field not bush
And I have permission to hunt that property we don’t but I appreciate being able to retrieve which we never needed to
“When government becomes a law breaker, it breeds contempt for law”
You mentioned survey stakes ? Yours or somebody else's ?
I recently took over 100 acres of prime Norfolk County and have been posting with signs and red dots for the same reason. No survey was done but I'm following the old fence line to keep it legal.
Mine
With a steel fence post beside it
“When government becomes a law breaker, it breeds contempt for law”
No trespasser in his/her right mind would invest that kind of money in equipment. There’s obviously a mistake there.
That's the way I'd handle it.Quote:
Originally Posted by fratri
I've seen land posted that didn't even belong tothe landowner. Great way to ensure you're hunting spot. Opening day of trout one year I encountered signs at dawn. I didn't enter but I did ask the landowner and he hadn't posted it but the guys fishing had taken it upon themselves to reserve their spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob Stewart
Thats kind of what I'm thinking also? The original story was finding gear, etc.... Then it comes out there are fresh posts. Story gets kinda muddy after that?Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Shouldn't belong before the owner of the gear comes back to it, so I hope there is a follow-up version of what happens and who's fault, etc....
There's some pretty serious fines for that nonsense (posting land that doesn't belong to you) up to $35K and/or criminal mischief charges. It cost my co-worker a ton of money to defend both charges in Court. He lost both cases costing him $5K in fines PLUS his lawyer fees,all in,almost $9K. If there's doubt,at all,don't do anything until your ducks are all in a row.Quote:
Originally Posted by DanO
I had set up a stand on the back of a property, turned out I was about 25 feet over the border.
I went to the stand one morning to find a note that stated that I was trespassing, and that I should call .
I did call, explained who I was and why I was there,
The landowner completely understood, thanked me for calling, and allowed me to stay put and told me that he would appreciate it very much if I did not go further than a particular landmark.
when it is in fact an honest mistake, an individual will call with an explanation.
I have been hunting on this property for almost 5 years now, and I am sure he appreciates me being there as well, have helped him many times with fence, fire wood, barn repairs, Win WIn
My brother up loaded on his gps a program. Private property is green and crown white. Found my 4 corner post no problem.It wouldn’t upload to my gps,though.
Fwiw I believe in Ontario it's not a chargeable offence if it's not marked and not a cultivated field and so on. In other words if it's an honest mistake in the middle of the bush, no charges will be laid. Now once the honest trespasser knows they are in the wrong they have to leave immediately.
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The law states "(2) It is a defence to a charge under subsection (1) in respect of premises that is land that the person charged reasonably believed that he or she had title to or an interest in the land that entitled him or her to do the act complained of. R.S.O. 1990, c. T.21, s. 2 (2)."
In other words, if this is an honest mistake whereby your neighbor strayed across your property line, even by a fair margin, they have a legal defense that amounts to "oops, sorry, thought it was still my land".
And basically, the wording of the act is that you're trespassing if entry is prohibited and that is done as follows:
Entry on premises may be prohibited by notice to that effect and entry is prohibited without any notice on premises,
(a) that is a garden, field or other land that is under cultivation, including a lawn, orchard, vineyard and premises on which trees have been planted and have not attained an average height of more than two metres and woodlots on land used primarily for agricultural purposes; or
(b) that is enclosed in a manner that indicates the occupier’s intention to keep persons off the premises or to keep animals on the premises. R.S.O. 1990, c. T.21, s. 3 (1).
So basically what it boils down to is if someone has come onto your property from neighboring crown land or private property and there were NO signs and no fence and they thought they were still on property they had a right to be on, then they aren't trespassing as long as they leave the moment they are advised of their mistake.
They are still trespassing.....they just have a defence, and no charges would likely be laid....
Please do not rely on this completely as the MNR has not done a good job of updating their Crown lands.Much of the maps even in paper form are put out by private companies and are not accurate.I would verify everything with the Township offices. Its not a particular problem in large Crown area,s but in south and eastern Ontario mixed in with private it gets pretty muddy.Its been a very long time since the Crown ran any surveys on these lands in some cases over 100 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenhorn
Don’t put to much stock in old fence lines. After the fiasco we went through over a 2 year period it gave us food for thought and it wasn’t even our land. I’ll never purchase any property without a recent survey period.Quote:
Originally Posted by longpointer
We got permission on a 50acre property, 1 day we went in to do some prep and there was skidders that had logged into the back of the property. We informed owner and he had no idea. The neighbouring property was recently sold and the new owner was logging it. To see the old existing fence lines (I’m talking rock walls) you would never believe the properties boundaries were where they ended up being. Everything was out of whack. 1 of our stands was off property by 15yds when it was supposed to be nowhere near line by existing fences. One guys house was on the property owner we had permission from and he had lived there for 30 years. Multiple surveys, lawyers etc it was a mess. Our guy said it would cost him more in lawyers fees then the property was worth so he let it go as a good will gesture to the guy with the house. That guy became emboldened and was still trying to get more. He is a dick. He gave us permission to stay, waited until we replanted our plots and set the stands and then said he recinded his permission so his extended family could hunt there (he just wanted us to do all the work and setup and pay for everything). We said that’s unfortunate you feel that way we’ll need you to unlock the gate when your available so we can remove our cameras and stands and then the real kicker he said “all that stuffs on my property and belongs to me now”
We rode in on the loggers road from the back with a trailer and removed our stuff.
Lesson learned about properties.
My friend was forced to cancel the hunt because that guy was a deceitful prick and waited until the season was almost open after everything was set (with his permission) before taking permission away. Way to short notice to try and figure out alternate for other guys in group. I wasn’t hunting with them just helping out with setup for the old timers.
There's a saying, Good fences make good neighbors. It applies in both design AND location.
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I have had the opposite experience,I had my property lines run informally some 18 years ago.The guy running the lines worked for the MNR and did it the old fashioned way with compass and steel cable.He basically told me he would run the line 30feet short for my side.This proved to be right on when we came to the west side and were on the short side for the existing OLD STONE walls/fence line.Quote:
Originally Posted by sickofitall
That neighbours property was run this year for cutting over the 500 acres.The man doing the cut ran the lines and went right off the existing stone wall. This
gave me back my original 30 feet.Now none of this had been run with a brand new survey,its simply not worth doing on such big properties,but even on the new GIS mapping systems, the old stone walls are bang on.Surveyors back when they did these lots initially in the 18 hundred,s did make mistakes (drunk mostly), the north to south lines in my township do not match up with the north to south lines in the neighbouring township,this variation could led to mistakes
if a surveyor takes a stake and runs it from that neighbouring township.
By and large the old walls I feel are pretty accurate, in the event of a dispute I would sit back and let the neighbour pay to do a survey,if I was not happy with the result I might employ my own surveyor,but in most cases its not worth it for a piece of old bush.
I would bring all the gear to the OPP and tell them that this was on my property. If someone comes for it I want them charged for trespassing, as long as you are sure it is on your property. By the sounds of it you know and you know it isn't the neighbours. Now if there is no standing fence, orchard, or field they crossed and not posted, you will never get them charged, but then they know and can be charged next time. I would post it now. Rick is right this is a lot of money for trespassers to just put up.
Anyways two soft blinds two chairs two trail cams two corn feeders one tree stand
Gut pile at my buddy’s tree stand that is easily 400’ in my property
Wind was strong stuff blowing away like crazy
My property is bush neighbour side is soybean ground. Line is easy to see. Neighbour doesn’t hunt I have permission to hunt theirs
“When government becomes a law breaker, it breeds contempt for law”
Well as Rick says, that's a lot of money for gear this guy was using? If it's not a mistake, please do let us all know the outcome? You did mention you had a name? Anything further? We're all waiting.....Quote:
Originally Posted by js4fn
My group of guys are thinking someone rented them this property then ripped off their gear
“When government becomes a law breaker, it breeds contempt for law”
What? That makes no sense lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by js4fn
Someone might have rented them the property and you took their gear? What are saying?
Their gear was there until you took it .
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Lol
My property is paid for. taxes paid up to date
Do you mean if you see garbage on your property you can’t pick it up and put it with your trash
Oh my bad
Now remember this garbage wasn’t on the road side because we all know it’s illegal to hunt from the road
tsk tsk
Smile
Two days left of are control hunt doing quite well so far :)
“When government becomes a law breaker, it breeds contempt for law”
Earlier facts stated it's been there awhile. Not moved to you property to hide the evidence and continue to feed the deer. .
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When you come up with something a little more concrete ( and intellectually intelligent, I guess we can chalk this thread up to sillyness)Quote:
Originally Posted by js4fn
Hope you get your buck.
Sorry friendQuote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
All I know is I live on this bush property
I hurt my back third week of June started going to a chiropractor at first four times a week then down to threes times then down to twice at the moment I go once a week for adjustments
Three weeks before are hunt week he found the sweet spot for my back I babied it for hunt week not getting out into my bush till this week
My back feel really good
Where these guys came from I don’t know may never know
My hunting buddies youngest is 56 oldest 72. We don’t have this kinda gear someone has better plastic card then us
(We didn’t have this kinda gear [emoji4] )
PS if any of you rich buggers plan on moving into my living room the remote is mine
“When government becomes a law breaker, it breeds contempt for law”
You never answered how the the stolen goods got setup on you yard and maintained. From the neighbors properly then had a fake renters and their stuff stolen to only be set up just inside your property. Its few hundred ft in.
You know it's not technically yours if it was a mistake. Even if it's on your property .
You would be the thief if you did nothing to find the owner .But hey if you try and find out what happened and can't well then you scored. Sounds like you already have your story made up . I had a lengthy post but lost connection and lost my post last night. Its better that way as I respect my elders.
Oh no you own your land you ol mighty God you.
I could run my old car through your window and it could be yours. Remember not Everyone is a nice guy . Mess with the wrong people it only makes things worse. Ask how I know have seen cars not leave an intersection because they lipped off the wrong person. Cant drive with busted windshields Haha.
Good luck with your free gifts that you couldn't afford.
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IMO, something is not right with this situation. Anyone going through all that expense and effort to set up the spot probably thinks it's legitimate for them to be there. There is always 2 sides to a story and we have not heard the other side or heard all the facts.
In any case, I would not take possession of someone else's property even if it's on my property as it's not mine! Its stealing. Leave a note with your phone # for them to remove the equipment if they are indeed trespassing by intent or by mistake.