If you ever wondered about the Star, or need to puke, read Heather Mallicks column today. Truly unbelievable.
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If you ever wondered about the Star, or need to puke, read Heather Mallicks column today. Truly unbelievable.
I am surprised that anybody would even buy that garbage newspaper anymore.
If your going to complain or comment about a personal opinion columnist, at least get the day right. Mallick has no column in the Star today, (Sunday), it was in Saturdays Star. Since it was by a female, about a woman's thoughts on the matter , maybe the women in your life should ascertain the validity of her comments. Foxx, Saturday circulation for the Star is 1.42 million, the Sun 650,000 . Somebody must read the Star, even Terrym, or how would he be able to comment about the content. LOL.
I'm not a Star subscriber. Is there a link?
might be this .....Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star...eral-team.html
So she's basically saying since they were not sexual harassed they should have stayed and not quit because of being pressured to do, or support illegal actives?
I actually read 4-5 a day, French & English. Sometimes you need a good laugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Thanks,Rick. No doubt that's it. Mallick was already fired from the Toronto Sun when her editorials slid decidedly "left" raising the ire of Doug Creighton and Peter Worthington. As the story goes,Creighton told Worthington to either get her on board or she can hit the road. She's been at TorStar ever since. Every publication has an editorial board with political bias. Either toe the line or find another job.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
Yes. She’s pretty well saying Trudough is a very busy and wonderful man and these two accomplished women ( one is a lawyer the other an MD ) should have taken one for the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
Laughable.
The notion that women with morals have put a dent into feminism.
C’mon now. Is this all you have? You make it too easy. Up your game if you’re going to protect a bunch of lieing incompetents with no morals. Go ahead make some argument that supports what the PMO and Privy Council did. It’s your team right?Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
LOL he really said that did he? I have him blocked so I don't see his inane chatter. But you're right, that is so lame if that's all he could muster up. Who cares what day it was anyway, what she wrote in that article is the subject of this thread. And he actually thought he was being witty, what a loser.Quote:
Originally Posted by terrym
Cheers
Yes. He did.
Michael Coren has a good column today, Monday, in the Star for those who receive it.
I don’t get the Star any more.....my budgie died !!Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
Make no mistake ... these articles are part of a bigger Liberal strategy. Have you not seen the numerous articles that have come out in the past week that basically are trying to say the SNC Scandal is no big deal? In fact last night, I read a new article that states this is nothing compared to the abuse of power by Trump's administration ... and sure, maybe it's not ... but it's still WRONG. What's next, hey compared to a serial killer, Trudope looks good? Yeah, sure.
Many, many articles trying to make this a mickey mouse issue ... and it's coming from the Liberals ... these papers aren't independent anymore, they are told by the Liberals what to write.
They're right, its no big deal... just a major Canadian company giving huge amounts of money to the brutal dictator of a county whose residents were fleeing as refugees and being resettled in Canada at the expense of Canadian taxpayers.
What if it wasn't Libya but was instead Syria? Hey JT, think about that for a moment...
What it is all about is share values of SNC first. The biggest shareholder is the Quebec public service union. I would also be curious to see how Morneau Shepell and Trudough’s trust fund is invested in SNC. Secondly SNC is a huge political contributor to the Liberals. They are fighting charges of illegal donations too. Even the CBC has said that the figure of 9000 employees isn’t believable.
If SNC had to walk away from the projects they secured through political bribes the other reputable Engineering firms would step in to do the work. Unless.....the work wasn’t actually needed or even done at all. Anybody remember the money laundering of ADSCAM?
Being barred from Federal projects doesn’t stop them from bidding on Provincial ones. They could live off the crooks who run Quebec and Quebecers would be good with that.
When you start to erode the rule of law for political gain you are creating a Banana republic with snow.
Well it is a Quebec company...
https://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/...rupt-province/
and as for the Toronto Star, I would really like to find out how they do the subscriptions ... I had a free subscription that they said was funded by a company for years, I got so sick of it I cancelled even that, I was called repeatedly about free and deal subscriptions for years... cancelling the Bell wired phone took care of that and most of the duct cleaning calls.
The Libs don't seem to have an issue with the prostitution, bribes, coverups, intimidation, attempting to illegally influence criminal proceedings.. etc. at all do they.... I guess if Butts didn't like the influencing law (as per her testimony), I wonder what other laws he didn't like.... I also wonder if Butts was the one that coached Justin here ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY3I2ewuxQ0
Also... bribes to them isn't a problem since after all Justin admires dictators and tyrants (China and Cuba for example.)
Justlied keeps talking about rebates on the carbon tax too ... but does that include the planned increases...
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...-rebate-model/
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has repeatedly touted the federal levy, starting at $20 per tonne and rising to $50 in 2022, as the centrepiece of efforts to fight climate change.
'DPA's were put into law to avoid harming parties that aren't directly responsible for wrongdoing. To prevent harm to innocent stakeholders, that could include employees and pensioners', says Richard Lablanc, law and ethics professor at York Uni..... Seems like it did what it was supposed to. Harper was in power when SNC broke all those laws , so maybe they knew that the Libs would form the next government and help them out. LOL
Yes DPA's were put into law to avoid harming parties that aren't directly responsible for wrongdoing. However; you left out some conditions that qualifies a company for consideration of a DPA. Please note the term consideration. It isn't a guarantee that a DPA is offered even if the conditions are still met.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
One big condition is "accept responsibility for, and stop, their wrongdoing". I have never once read anywhere in the media that SNC has accepted responsibility for their criminal acts. SNC has been doing dirty business for a while so it doesn't look like they were interested in stopping any wrongdoing. If their lobbying was effective to get the PMO to try to influence the AG to meddle in a criminal case when the prosecutors didn't offer them a DPA, please explain to me why SNC and the PMO shouldn't be facing obstruction of justice charges? I will help you a bit, jobs isn't anywhere near a good enough reason.
The PM and Liberals have been beating on the jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs drum. They quote 9000 jobs (the entirety of Canadian workers) will be lost and SNC will move out of Canada. Looking at SNC, they had a $15.2 billion backlog of work at the end of June 2018 (plus other contracts out) (http://www.snclavalin.com/en/media/p...ults-2018.aspx). That work will have to be finished per contract demands which means people won't be losing their jobs outright tomorrow if SNC doesn't get a DPA. Furthermore, if SNC wants to move their business from Canada to another country, they would have to make a public announcement under the securities laws here in Canada in order to warn investors/future investors about potential losses to their stocks. So far all the news I have ever heard about an move was from the PM/Liberals saying SNC told him/them they may move. This is not a public announcement by the company so it is just smoke and mirrors by the federal government to try to defend what they did.
No one made SNC allegedly break the law. They allegedly did that on their own. If they are found guilty, they won't be starved of work, they will still be able to bid on private company contracts but not Canadian government ones. They have a very good minerals and metals division here in Toronto (I interviewed for a mechanical design job there a few years ago) whose main source of revenue is private contracts. The beating of the jobs drum doesn't fly well because there is no truth to it.
Will some jobs be affected? Sure. Will every person employed by SNC be issued a pink slip if a DPA isn't offered? No. Even if everyone lost their job tomorrow because of this, they would find work because they are very skilled individuals. Direct action by a government to save jobs isn't a door we want to open. I recognize Harper did it with the auto sector even though the direct action was supposed to be structured as a loan. I don't think the government should have given a red cent to the auto industry but my explanation would pull the thread off-topic.
You do realize that SNC has laid off more than 50% of the Canadian work force in the last 6+ years, none of this is to save jobs, the jobs will all be disappearing anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
In 2011, Stephen Harper sold AECL-and the CANDU nuclear technology Canada spent billions developing to - SNC-Lavalin for 15 M. But the deal ended up costing the government over 2 B. The sale was for 15 million, and the Harper government promised SNC up to 75 million to complete development of a new reactor called Enhanced CANDU 6. The federal government also agreed to cover liabilities related to both the Point Lepreau and Bruce power stations- at a cost of at least $2 billion. At he time Harper cut this deal with SNC-Lavalin- an asset deal that cost over $2 billion- the company was allegedly paying the Gaddafi family almost $50 million in exchange for billions of dollars in airport, pipeline, and water infrastructure projects. I guess Harper didn't notice or care that during the 2001-2011 period SNC had: Been barred from bidding on Asian Development Bank projects for fabricating qualifications and documents (2004). : settled corruption allegations with the African Development Bank over bribes in Mozambique (2008) and Uganda (2010). : Bribed Canadian officials with $22.5 million in relation to a McGill Hospital contract (2009) :Been credibly found by the World Bank as participating in high-level corruption in Bangladesh in 2009-2010, and entered into a voluntary debarment from World Bank financed projects.: Entered into a voluntary agreement to compensate seven Quebec municipalities for obtaining contracts through questionable means (1996-2011). : Made illegal federal election campaign donations (2004-2011) entering into a voluntary compliance agreement with the federal elections commissioner. All facts that are easily confirmed. Discuss.....
OK.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
1. You seem to confuse public procurement processes, with that of government Departments. The "Harper Government" was in power at the time. They however, didn't sign the cheques, and said processes were still under the scrutiny of the various government bodies. So, NO, "Harper" cut no deal. They were the Government in power when some poor procurement decisions were made.
2. SNCL is well known for it's issues with poor ethics, through Chretien, Martin, Harper, etc. It is not the nature of the beast that is at issue. It is the interference in a judicial process, over a criminal matter .
But please do continue with your "whataboutism".
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/snc...risk-1.5047248
They will just lay everyone off anyway, get away with bribery on the international stage and move all the jobs out of Canada, all facts and easily confirmed, Trudeau has no justification for his poor attempt at speaking.
Discuss.....
The Quebec public service union is a huge holder of SNC stock. The host/parasite relationship is pretty clear.
Even with that 41% of QC residents want to see SNC have a real trial.Quote:
Originally Posted by terrym
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...ents-1.5048832
Given that every aspect of Quebec government is corrupt from the top down,it's easy to be very cynical that even if any charges are laid and prosecutions commenced,it'll all be "for show" with the usual politicians pointing fingers and generating sound bytes for political gain with the net result still being a big,fat ZERO.Quote:
Originally Posted by terrym
Things that should cause anyone to pause, ponder and then go “hhhhmmm”.
Since it all began SNC has gone full throttle pressing the Cdn Govt.
There were or have been illegal contributions to the Liberal Party.
Since JT came to power the Trudeau foundation has flourished, awash in money. SNC has kindly donated a lot.
Between the lobbying, contributions etc. In any other world that would be called bribery.......
They have, are threatening to move their head office if they don’t get a DPA. In any other world that is called extortion........
Would seem to this person they haven’t changed.
I say Trudope should just drop the law and publically state he's okay working with corrupt companies. Instead of beating around the bush, and treating us all like idiots ... just say the truth. It's soooo simple. What is the point of having a law that excludes corrupt companies from bidding on government contracts, when you have another law that in essence nullifies it? It's stupid ... you either have the law, or you don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishermccann
It's a crappy situation, yes there will be innocent by-standards ... but what about the innocent TAXPAYERS that are paying for all of this ... they are stealing OUR money. So are we okay sticking it to the taxpayers, but not okay with the few at SNC who will be hurt from this? Who decides what is the right thing to do? Trudope?? Give me a break ... that's why this needs to go to court. We can't just make the SNC employee the victim here. Besides probably most of those guys will be mopped up by other CANADIAN companies. There are many good Canadian Engineering companies ... we act like SNC is the only one ... NO they are NOT.
The business will land in the hands of more ethical companies. The employees will move to more ethical companies. You need to make an example here, so it doesn't happen again, at least not in the short term, and not ever by any ethical company.
This is about Trudope protecting his votes in Montreal. Period. He's willing to be Judge and Jury for his own little selfish purpose. It's sickening.
^^^ He's totally right! SNC has been doing dirty business for YEARS, with several corrupt charges against them. Check these allegations against SNC out, spanning more than two decades:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dythbringer
Kerala Hydroelectric Dam (1995)
Jacques Cartier Bridge (early 2000s)
McGill University Health Centre (2011-2014)
and the Padma Bridge (2011)
So you have an addict ... this is normal business for them my friends. You want to keep them going? You think this is going to stop? No ... let's break up the Liberal-SNC Partnership, to stop corruption on both sides.
The Canadian voter has to wake up, and/or stop being apathetic. This is OUR country. We cannot allow this C-R-A-P to go on.Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
SNC won't move all Canadian jobs out of Canada. This is my business, I know it inside out. They are already hurting. We have their employees looking for jobs at our company. The employees are saying they have very little work in their pipeline. On the other hand, our company is VERY busy ... because we are ETHICAL and don't stray from the long term course. SNC has already coughed up most of the work they could have gotten to other Canadian companies. Our clients aren't stupid, they know what's going on ... and they're probably gonna stay far away from SNC for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fox
That's why all these threats of 9000 people losing their jobs is pure BS ... they probably don't even have enough work to keep half that many people busy, and employees see the writing on the wall, they are already leaving in droves.
All this work goes back to other good Canadian Engineering companies. We have amongst the world's best engineers, and are working for companies from all over the world ... they are coming to us, not the other way around.
The threats of job losses are paper tigers.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
Everyone knows that if you're a competent professional working in that sphere, the void created will be filled.
Everyone was aghast when Nortel went bust here in Ottawa. Funny thing? It generated more small scale businesses, and other tech players, which long term, actually created more employment than Nortel was responsible for.
BINGO! We have a winner, chicken dinner!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebulldog
At the time, SNC was ALLEGED ... the difference now is they have been CONVICTED on Libya charges. It is proven fact now. Enter the law, which I believe says any company CONVICTED of corruption (I would be surprised if an allegation or even a charge is sufficient as this is yet to be tested by the courts), cannot be used for 10 years for gov't contracts. Enter Trudope who says, "Na ... we gonna protect our good old buddies SNC, so they can keep me as an MP representing Montreal."
Trying to make some humor here, but was one of the spin-offs RIM? LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebulldog
Lol. No. but if you survey many of the businesses in the Kanata North area ( huge tech sector), many of their founders, or senior management came from Nortel, as well as many of the older techs they employ.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
I worked for a consulting firm here, founded by a former Nortel manager, who now employs almost 200 people, almost exclusively in the Federal Government sector...by way of just one example.
This is truth, I know a guy that worked at Nortel, then went to RIM ... now he's at a bank ... I won't say which bank, but if his track record continues ... LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Bluebulldog
Pull your mutual funds Tout de suite.....Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
I disgaree that scandal is about Trudeau protecting his votes in Montreal. While I don't doubt that is the reason behind his behaviour, the scandal is he and his staff tried to alter a criminal case by influencing the AG on behalf of the defendant in said case. At minimum, it shows how bush league he is at politics. At worst, he could be charged with obstructing justice.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkB
All Liberal supporters who say that is ok, would be foaming at the mouth if Harper/Scheer did it with an oil company. That is hypocrisy.