530pm-745pm wow!

Cold t get out for the morning hunt but made it out for the late evening for the first time. As I’m reading an article on late afternoon turkey hunting I hear hens start calling, then start seeing in a field west of me 1,2,3 back bla blah 7. I hear them calling and feeding so I just let some gentle clucks out and they call back. Hoping they go and roost in the same area they always do I just stay out and wait. All of a sudden they start running off. I think coyote but then a menenite comes through the field and they all fly away. Some go left some go right some go back and one with a red head end up flying behind me. All
goes quite and im
thinking damn it’s done for the night. I make one more call and I get a response that sounds like a hen. I wait and it comes closer and closer. I hear the ground start crunching and as I look behind me I see this fire engine red head 20 yards behind me coming my way. I awkwardly try to get ready for a shot at the young jake but he comes up into the open and instead of going left to me he high tales it to the right and over the hill...first time hunting that late in the evening but I will definitely do it again. Haven’t had that much action and fun in the turkey woods in a while! No bird to tell you about but hands down reassured my love for the sport.

Sounds like an exciting hunt.......

Sorry everyone. I hit 7 instead of
6. 745 would be highly illegal. Thank you frank ( fratri) for pointing out my error.

At least you had a new experience

I enjoy the evening hunts. Usually warmer and yes,, anything can happen.
Shot a few birds just before 7pm

Again went out for the evening last night and again saw plenty of turkey. Couldn’t bring them
In closer then 100 yards but still the action was great in the evening even with the higher winds.

? here if I hunted turkey till 7 pm in spring then unloaded & encased & trigger locked my firearm completely could I sit legally in my blind & watch/ listen for any turkeys roosting close by for morning hunt with firearm with me still . Thanks in advanced Ross

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? here if I hunted turkey till 7 pm in spring then unloaded & encased & trigger locked my firearm completely could I sit legally in my blind & watch/ listen for any turkeys roosting close by for morning hunt with firearm with me still . Thanks in advanced Ross

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Your best to take the firearm back to your vehicle first. Hard to prove to co at the truck when ya walk out at 830 with your gun in hand. How does he know know you unloaded and locked it at 7 ?

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Since when do we need trigger locks for anything other than storage and how is this any different than coming out of the bush after legal light with an encased firearm in any other big game season? The CO still has no way of knowing if you encased your firearm at the end of legal light if you have a 30 minute walk to your truck where he meets you.




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Didn’t say we had to just said I would/do . Is your answer yes or no . MNR closed today so thought I’d ask here & wait till Mon to call them . Thanks
personally I see it as ok guessing your answer is yes also .

My take on it would be as long as you unload and encase your firearm by 7 PM you can observe all you like, but I'm not a CO.

I know personally if I had a Tom or a group of birds just out of range and right in front of me at the end of legal time I would unload, encase and wait for the birds to move away before leaving. That might take 5 minutes or might take an hour.

Two seasons ago I shot a Tom at around 6:55. I unloaded and encased the shotgun. Tagged the bird, took some pictures. Milled around a bit packing up and telling the story to my buddy. By the time we got the the truck it was close to 8. If we met a CO at the truck he would surely ask some questions but neither of us were hunting past 7.

Edit: Sorry rossh I meant to quote your post/question before replying.

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Thanks man

Here's another way to look at it... lots of people sit in their blinds an hour or more before legal light, but they're not hunting until they take the gun out and load it half an hour before sunrise.

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Since when do we need trigger locks for anything other than storage and how is this any different than coming out of the bush after legal light with an encased firearm in any other big game season? The CO still has no way of knowing if you encased your firearm at the end of legal light if you have a 30 minute walk to your truck where he meets you.




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That's still more understandable then coming out a few hours later after legal time. Unless you are tracking down the animal that you shot before legal light was up.
If Turkey ends at 7 and you come out at 9 well you better have some explanation of why you were out there so long . See the difference? the legal light and legal Turkey time is way off and different. Still have a almost an hour and half of legal light after the legal time of the Turkey right?

Who is to say he wouldn't shoot a bird at 815 ? Only him . Put the gun back away and go back to the Bush and do your thing. Totally safer if stopped by the co why you coming out an hour and half later with a firearm? Your not tracking an animal you have a gun on your possession hours after the legal hunt who says your not hunting?

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That's still more understandable then coming out a few hours later after legal time. Unless you are tracking down the animal that you shot before legal light was up.
If Turkey ends at 7 and you come out at 9 well you better have some explanation of why you were out there so long . See the difference? the legal light and legal Turkey time is way off and different. Still have a almost an hour and half of legal light after the legal time of the Turkey right?

Who is to say he wouldn't shoot a bird at 815 ? Only him . Put the gun back away and go back to the Bush and do your thing. Totally safer if stopped by the co why you coming out an hour and half later with a firearm? Your not tracking an animal you have a gun on your possession hours after the legal hunt who says your not hunting?

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How does the CO know I'm not sitting with a loaded gun in the blind at 4:30 am? I don't walk back to the truck at legal light to get my shotgun.

Respectfully, you're over thinking this a little.

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Here is another example not hunting but fishing. I fish 2 spots in the spring for walleye. Both spots have 2 separate regulations different slot sizes and catch limits one is 3 and the other 4 . What will happen if I'm at spot 2 with a fish I got from spot 1 an hour earlier? I'm fishing an area that has a less of a limit and the fish size does not match the zone I'm in? But hey I'm fishing there and now I have fish the wrong size to keep? What will happen if a co checks my vehicle?

Unless I have the proof witch I always do because I make sure I take plenty of pics of the background and the fish. With out this proof I guess I could be facing some fines for having fish that are out slot size in that zone.
Same thing will happen in a case like this I guess it would be up to the co . Depends on how he feels I guess coming out an hour an a half after legal shooting time and it's still light out side. He could be 100 % poaching, it's still light out you can see what your doing still the sun is just starting to set. Yet he still has a firearm on him.
Always better to play it safe take the gun back to the truck at 7 and carry on with your day. A pic a 7 with a trigger lock on means nothing so there is nothing to prove you really stopped hunting unless your without the firearm. Maybe you own the property and doing chores after the hunt maybe be an easier excuse as to why you still have your gun on you. Who knows what the co will think about it. Do you really want to risk it?

Sorry to hi Jack the thread maybe he should of started his own.

Congrats on the bird.

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How does the CO know I'm not sitting with a loaded gun in the blind at 4:30 am? I don't walk back to the truck at legal light to get my shotgun.

Respectfully, you're over thinking this a little.

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Maybe so to be on the safer side of things. With less of a hassle and trying to explain myself.

Either way you look at it. He is out with a firearm after legal shooting time,looking for birds in legal light. Explain away I guess.

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Maybe so to be on the safer side of things. With less of a hassle and trying to explain myself.

Either way you look at it he is out with a firearm after legal time ,looking for birds in legal light. Explain away I guess.

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Yes, sorry to hijack the thread OP, but I guess it's somewhat relevant considering how the thread started.

You're correct about the discretion of the CO fishfood, as is the case in many, many situations while fishing and hunting. On that we can agree.

I suppose if you want to go to all those extremes to be on the safe side of things that's up to you. Personally, worrying about every little detail (to the point of completely unnecessary trigger locks) takes the enjoyment out of things for me. As long as I'm doing what I say I'm doing and a CO charges me anyway, I guess I'll have my day in court.

I can understand why some people go to these extremes though. When it comes to hunting and fishing, sometimes it seems we're guilty until proven innocent.

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Sorry man if I hijacked the thread . I’ll find out on Monday . My medical circumstances I have to ride something around which scares critters just seein if any experiences . Thanks all sorry to cause a fluff if I did .
Good luck all on the hunt .

Just talked to my local CO & as long as gun in case & I don’t do any calling it’s ok . Like yu all figured .

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Just talked to my local CO & as long as gun in case & I don’t do any calling it’s ok . Like yu all figured .

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Thanks rossh for taking the time to get an official answer.

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Welcome GW11

The LAW only requires your weapon to be unloaded and totally encased at the end of legal time for turkeys or 1/2 hr after sunset for everything else. No where does the law state that you need to make a hasty exit from the woods. The CO can surmise and accuse anything he wants to BUT as long as the weapon is encased you've complied to the law. If it gets in court and it's he said, she said, the CO will look pretty stupid.
Even better if your real paranoid then record your conversation with the CO. I got checked in Quebec, on a lake, and when the CO's showed up I had my GoPro on my head running the entire time. I don't know if all CO's are the same but these two were the most polite I ever met. Before they left - they asked if it was on. I just smiled!

On another note why can't you just switch over and call coyotes from 7pm till dark? Thin out some of those buggers!

Skeeter that’s an interesting point...what if I switch to coyote hunting at 7pm? What then? Seems like these rules are so open ended.

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Skeeter that’s an interesting point...what if I switch to coyote hunting at 7pm? What then? Seems like these rules are so open ended.

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As long as the turkey decoys and calls are not in use. It's pretty hard for anyone, CO or not, to interpret intent. If you get stopped you state your case firmly and openly.
When I bear or moose hunt I always bring my video camera. It's draped around my neck. If any officer of the law stops me I turn it on. Just filming the ground but the audio is clear.
Trust me I'm not paranoid and know the law better then most. Problem I've had is officers who don't know the law or figure they're above the law. They walk among us! I also leave my pack and bow in the tree (encased) and come out with only my camera, bear spray, and a penlight. I have been stopped and asked to show ID, hunting licence etc. Obviously I'm not hunting because I'm weaponless. Just out for a walk or a ride.
About 10 yrs ago we had the MNR sweep into hunt camp asking everyone to produce licences. This is at a resort. I told them when I'm hunting I will show you my hunting licences. I'm sitting in a rented cottage watching TV on private property. They needed to realize this is Canada not Nazi Germany.
We had 2 blowhard CO's come in one time to check 2 hanging moose in camp. They were checking everything. Broad head hole, asked to see shooters. check broad head to wound hole config. the whole bullshyt. One blowhard said nice moose but he had bigger then us with a 55"er. I told him we're at 45 at that time and had a had quite a few bigger then his puppy. He didn't like the rain on his parade so started questioning me the exact location of the moose kill (I killed it) I said legally in the proper unit. He said he could make me show him the spot. I said get your boots and a sleeping bag and call your wife because it will take a while because now you're pizzing me off. I'm 110% legal, know I'm 110% legal and don't appreciate being treated like a criminal. They left and I've never seen them since.

So like I said state your intent firmly and be legal in your actions. Most CO's have been great guys but I'm met a couple that shoulda been working at Tims!

When I exited the woods on Saturday a CO was waiting for me in his unmarked truck. Very sneaky!
I know this CO well. We see him every year in 92B.

He asked to see my Turkey tag and printed hunting summary. That all checked out.

Then he asked for my PAL. I told him I don't need one because I'm hunting with a crossbow. lol

He told me to have a nice day & I did... :)

where does it say in the regs you have to case you gun at 7 pm? - it doesn't - they say you have to stop hunting at 7 pm.

Paranoid group here!

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Doesn’t & CO didn’t say I had to . I just said that so would be less chance of CO misinterpreting & me wasting time in court . Same as trigger lock .

Here's a scenario. One of the spots I hunt Turkey has quite a few coyotes. Twice I have shot coyotes running into my decoys. And multiple times has my Turkey hunt been ruined by coyotes coming into the field to see what whats going on with all the calling.
Now with 3 young kids and after school sports I have never had the opportunity to afternoon/evening hunt, but would I not allowed to hunt coyotes after Turkey has ended and 7? Watch to see if a coyote comes out into the field until 30 min after sunset?
And correct me if I'm wrong but from what I have resourced and posts i have read on this form I don't seen anything that says I cant bring my 22-250 with me Turkey hunting and hit a coyote if it comes into the field, is that not another situation that if the CO was to encounter you walking back to your truck with 2 guns, they would have to use a judgment call on there end and would they not have to have some kind of evidence to charge you with what he/she thinks you "might" be doing.
Are these CO as ruthless as everyone makes them out to be. I would like to think they are level headed and reasonable. I can't say I have very much experience with CO's and have never been in a situation where they had to question or grill me for anything so I'm not sure.

As CO says as long as not hunting turkey after 7 pm
NO PROBLEM .

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Here's a scenario. One of the spots I hunt Turkey has quite a few coyotes. Twice I have shot coyotes running into my decoys. And multiple times has my Turkey hunt been ruined by coyotes coming into the field to see what whats going on with all the calling.
Now with 3 young kids and after school sports I have never had the opportunity to afternoon/evening hunt, but would I not allowed to hunt coyotes after Turkey has ended and 7? Watch to see if a coyote comes out into the field until 30 min after sunset?
And correct me if I'm wrong but from what I have resourced and posts i have read on this form I don't seen anything that says I cant bring my 22-250 with me Turkey hunting and hit a coyote if it comes into the field, is that not another situation that if the CO was to encounter you walking back to your truck with 2 guns, they would have to use a judgment call on there end and would they not have to have some kind of evidence to charge you with what he/she thinks you "might" be doing.
Are these CO as ruthless as everyone makes them out to be. I would like to think they are level headed and reasonable. I can't say I have very much experience with CO's and have never been in a situation where they had to question or grill me for anything so I'm not sure.

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Your not breaking any laws by coyote hunting or having two guns with you.

Someone will know the answer for sure, but I'm 99% sure its not legal to have both guns loaded at the same time.