Any MNR .... 007.... agent ..... pretending to be a new hunter ....?
Looking for a hunting ... mentor ....
On this forum ...?
Any MNR .... 007.... agent ..... pretending to be a new hunter ....?
Looking for a hunting ... mentor ....
On this forum ...?
Strange question...what ya worried about there GoldMember?Quote:
Originally Posted by alfoldivandor
Closest we have on here to a secret agent is Gilroy? He's not a "new" hunter, but rather an "old" hunter? I think he mimics the secret squirrel? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S_F9U9gNEQQuote:
Originally Posted by alfoldivandor
HAHAHAHAHQuote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
Hahaha !!! But I think his “machine gun cane” may get him in trouble with the village idiot’s cartel !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
I hear that he is still hunting for guys to hunt with!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
Any MNR .... 007.... agent ..... pretending to be a new hunter ....?Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
Looking for a hunting ... mentor ....
On this forum ...?
Every post you make is confusing. I don't know if it's lack of English skills...Quote:
Originally Posted by alfoldivandor
Reminds me of JBen....oh sorry LoR ...can never figure out 1/2 of what that man posts :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebulldog
Sounds like a not very effective way to catch poachers.Quote:
Originally Posted by alfoldivandor
99.9999% of the "Can I.../Is it legal to..." debates and posts are experienced guys doing mental exercises and digging around in the Regulation and Regulatory Acts wondering if they are understanding them correctly.
Poachers are not going to be asking questions and offering to take "Strangers" out.
Dr.Evil your back again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jZiKFLL6MI
He was very articulate,you on the other hand have had some problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
I heard you cannot hear at all these days. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
Still mad at losing the election big time,he,he.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick_iles
I think I've finally caught the gist of what you're asking, with help from a few others?Quote:
Originally Posted by alfoldivandor
I doubt very much the CO's are going to come on here and try to sting someone, in the notion you're referring to. There's lots of action for them out there waiting for their attention, without them having to pose as a new hunter looking for a mentor on this site?
I'm still wondering how on earth that would pan out?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
MNR spends countless hours chatting online trying to look like a noob, to perhaps be taken out in the blind in 5 months....?
Gilly, good to see you! Gets a little boring here without you as a pin cushion? I knew I could draw you out of the woodwork!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
You got it ...
Co's are using the technology to....
It is easier than the foot on the ground ...
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Originally Posted by Bushmoose
I,am only happy when your happy,sunny ways my friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
Quite the contrary, had my hearing checked last week, I hear very well. Ha Ha HaQuote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
You must be off your meds again , as your hearing is defective among other things ! :D
Sure you had it checked just last week after I brought up the issue,this might be an example of fake news.Your probably a Trump fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
Yes I sure did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
I don't want to make you look more foolish by having to prove it to you.
Take your meds and go back to bed!
By the way , I have often been accused of being brutally honest.
Thread thoroughly hijacked.....
I can pan for gold in the sewer below the dentist's office too, I will still have better luck getting out in the woods.Quote:
Originally Posted by alfoldivandor
The best Social platform for them would be the small town watering holes.
You think poachers are going to post evidence on a forum?
Not like it had anywhere else to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebulldog
It's like the Spy VS spy comics out of the mad magazine.
LOL...Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
Occasionally there are morons on FB who have posted bucks without tags in the bed of the truck, and suffered the consequences. The MNRF does have a pretty heavy presence in some of the Ontario based hunting pages on that platform.
ROFL...yep!Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
I wouldn't doubt it. I would bet that they have looked on here before.
I seen a thread on gunnutz about a guy that made a bad joke about firearms on facebook and he had RCMP show up and confiscate all his guns, He had to hire a lawyer and spend lots of money just to clear his name and get his guns back.
I cant comment on what he said, But watch what you say and do online, Its only going to get worse. Maybe in 20 years they will look back on here and we will all be threats to society because we hunt and kill animals for sport. Some people already think we are psychotic.
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Knowing what damage a firearm can do, we as hunters are generally the most careful and safety minded. But our quietness makes us an easy target for the emotional trash and violence of the Anti's and the Left.Quote:
Originally Posted by SongDog
They forced the Jews to wear yellow stars, and the LBGT people to wear Purple triangles. What will they make us wear? A red and white three ring bullseye maybe. I wonder, will they starve us, work us to death or Ironically just line us up and shoot us.
Ya, the mentor angle seems like a stretch? I don't doubt they have cruised this site and probably do on a casual basis, but if I had to put money on it, they would be more apt to react to a member on here reporting something?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebulldog
Yea a LEO misrepresenting him/her/person self to entrap someone wouldn't go over well with a judge. Silly for them to even attempt anything like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
Your right BM, right from the horses mouth...the CO's have become complaint driven. They will respond and take a boo if someone calls them.
COs here or on FB would be more likely to just read & take notes than to go to the trouble of impersonating a newbie, I would think.
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They've been "using the technology" for years. No doubt they check this site occasionally for bragging lawbreakers, or dumb ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by alfoldivandor
I've sent PM's to a couple people who posted ads on this site to re-sell additional doe tags or to sell last year's venison.
How would that be any different from , when a cop/leo uses the internet and poses as a young girl to entrap child molesters.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
The cops do this all the time and that's how these perverts get caught, thankfully.
Up at the hunt camp we communicate via two way radio. One of the guys mentioned that he had passed a ministry truck on the way down to his watch. One of the other guys asked if he had the dyke with him, an OPP officer. The next thing we heard " I'm not a dyke" They do monitor 2 way radios...
Moose hunters are always surprised when CO's just happen to be around after they shoot one...duh... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bo D
LEO "misrepresent" themselves all the time, it is called "undercover" work. No entrapment .Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Still quite a long shot trying to get your hooks into someone that way.... unless..mmmmmm... maybe they are targeting a certain individual, say like on this forum maybe ???
Interesting...........
It's not as easy as that....and why we have judges.Quote:
Originally Posted by smokin'stoegie
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The law of entrapment in Canada is intended to prevent the police from attracting someone who is not already involved in criminal activity into committing a crime by offering an opportunity to commit a criminal act. This is known as random virtue-testing. When determining whether the police engaged in random virtue-testing, the police conduct must be assessed for its reasonableness.
Reasonable suspicion is a low standard to meet and requires proof that the individual targeted is possibly engaged in criminal activity. It is something more than a mere suspicion and something less than a belief based on reasonable and probably grounds. The facts must support the suspicion and allow for an independent judicial assessment. It is important to consider the totality of circumstances when assessing the existence of reasonable suspicion. The inquiry must consider the constellation of objectively discernable facts that are said to give the investigating officer reasonable cause to suspect that an individual is involved in the type of criminal activity under investigation. This inquiry must be fact-based, flexible, and grounded in common sense and practical, everyday experience. A police officer’s grounds for reasonable suspicion can’t be assessed in isolation.
The court has the power to stay proceedings if entrapment is established.*
That's easy Hunter orange however camo by choice most of the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
Like wolves. I am not worried about Wolves or COs. Not doing anything wrong, and I have a couple seals.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Ahhh yeah, I'm well aware of the law, hence my suggestion they had their sights on someone who may already be involved in those activities, however it was joke and now that I need to explain it, its not so funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
I hate to pop your bubble,MikePal,but,that technique is SOP for the RCMP. They're the grand masters of deception when they get their hooks into the bad guys. It's a criminal offense to lie to Police,but,there's absolutely no law against LEO's lying their a**es off to get a crook into prison.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Oh yes there is ...Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
And there are judges who don't like it....just goggle "Mr. Big' and see how many have been thrown out of court or are now being re-tried.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ticle37689656/
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-...kley-1.4570368
https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...and-crown.html
on...and ...on
A lot of 'stings' don't work because of entrapment laws and ones where they troll an internet forum in the hopes of finding some sap doing something wrong would be a huge waste of resources the MNR doesn't have.
Now putting a robot deer on the side of the road and catch idiots who shot it...well that might be considered entrapment but far more of the evidence gathered is self incrimination. HaHa...
If you lay down like a sheep they will do as they please. The choice will be yours. If that time comes I'd rather die fighting back like a lionQuote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
The "Mr.Big" case was a blatant attempt to coerce information and was a "one-of" instance. "John stings" to combat prostitution and human trafficing,"financial stings" to capture fraudsters and other undercover operations have all been ruled by the SCOC as being a legitimate tool for law enforcement. I have a successful past history with those types of operations and they're very effective. Assumptions that street-level law enforcement doesn't "keep an eye" on forums,threads and websites like these is a mistake. National security intel-gathering units absolutely survey all sites for threats against government figures and can act quickly to mitigate threats. That's why it's very prudent to take great care on what one posts on these social media sites.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
Looking back it's easy to see the right path, but trying to decide as events unfold we are lot like the frog in the boiling water.Quote:
Originally Posted by canadaman30
The examples I posted were the first 3 (all different) in a long list on google...there was an 'original' Mr Big...but it now is used as a common 'sting' theme name..Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
I find it hard to believe a CO would try to infiltrate a Hunt Camp as a newbie and then try to catch them doing something nefarious....makings of a Benny Hill episode HaHa...
Your right...once you hit 'enter' there is a whole raft of data bases around the world that inspect & dissect your post/messages..Quote:
Originally Posted by trimmer21
The sheep will always outnumber the lions in this world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
Years ago a CO friend of mine was supposed to meet with my group to give us the lay of the land and point us in the right direction in an area that was entirely new to us. In the week leading up to the hunt I couldn't get in touch with him at all and needless to say the gang was getting concerned.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
We ended up going on the hope that he would come through and he did end up meeting us shortly after arriving. When I asked him why we couldn't reach him he said it was because he just spend a week undercover as a "newbie" in a moose hunt camp who had no idea he was a CO.
Benny Hill or not, it happens.
He has a number of other tales that might surprise you too.
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Happens all the time including other teams doing the same in different departments. ..
People are out to lunch if they dont think they pose as others or just make up stories for others to open up on. They cover the entire internet on all forums and other sites. There is always a dummies who talks to much.
Where are the drug cops same place as you doing the same thing .drinking beers and shooting the sh in a pub or club .
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My local CO is a good guy! He's also ready to retire and only looking for the big offences! Lol
He doesn't even ask for my game seal anymore.. :)
I did read once in the news a few years ago that the Police regularly monitor Gun related Forums,Gun Nutz was actually named as one of the sites as well they said most sites are watched.
Starve us ? Line us up? Molon labeQuote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
Believe me, they will.Quote:
Originally Posted by RayRay89
Between some of the threads on CGN, and some of the FB pages like the NFA, they certainly have a ton of material to review. Most folks are respectful, there are some real tinfoil hat types, and more than a few who are subtly hinting at armed rebellion.Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhite
In some cases, I don't think monitoring is necessarily a bad thing, particularly if it involves the possibility of a criminal / terrorist attempting to procure firearms or explosives.
It's actually startling how many 'plots' are diffused because of intel gather thru these means.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebulldog
If it keeps my family safer, I'm all for Big Brother intervention.
Well we know the NSA is surveilling civilians on a large scale, so it's probably safe to assume the forums are being monitored in come capacity. I know that was south of the border, but I doubt it's much different here.
If it catches poachers, and foils conspiring for criminal activity I am all for it.
As the old saying goes.Quote:
Originally Posted by ride.lift.shoot
If you're not doing something illegal....you have no reason to worry.
And to answer the original question..... even if there was someone doing that, and they may well be, were you really expecting a reply from someone to admit it was them ???? LolQuote:
Originally Posted by alfoldivandor
At the very least, it gave us several pages of entertainment?:DQuote:
Originally Posted by smokin'stoegie
Well to tell the truth, I am in fact spying and conducting Intelligence gathering.Quote:
Originally Posted by smokin'stoegie
I am watching and trying to figure out were the best fishing and hunting spots are. Is that not spying?
I gave up looking for Intelligence on here years ago.:joker:
Hahahaha,,, trueQuote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
another valid observation..lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
Not .... I am hunting with my group
I just shared info.... with the forum ...
....
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Originally Posted by jaycee
he was talking about Gilroy.Quote:
Originally Posted by alfoldivandor
Y eh some are fascinated by me, I consider him one of my groupie,s but don,t feel bad there are a few on the same list. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
Unfortunately for them they come across badly as they have on this thread, its to bad the moderators did not sanction them when the thread was hijacked by Bushmoose in post 3 and they continued in post 4,5,6......the usual suspects with a history of one line posts that contribute nothing to the forum.
You mean like these HaHa....Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
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Originally Posted by Gilroy
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Originally Posted by Gilroy
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Originally Posted by Gilroy
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Originally Posted by Gilroy
I think I found Gilroy's last nerve? I wanna touch it!;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
This is some funny S*^t!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bo D
I hope you can comprehend the difference between rebuttal,s to the "stir the pot" comments made by Bushmoose in his post #3.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikePal
The description is found in the below forum rules which perhaps you and the others might like to read.
3(b). Personal attacks on members, cyber bullying, libel comments or bashing/slandering of businesses, organizations, individuals or corporations will not be tolerated. Threads deemed to be an attempt to "stir the pot" or are looking for support on their attack will be removed. If you have an issue with a particular organization, business or corporation, please contact them directly. If you have an issue with a particular member, please contact the administrator or a moderator.
Instead of doing that why don,t you read the rules which you should know by now,its bad enough you "hijack" the original thread to "stir the pot" in post #3 but then you continue in post #60 with NO CONSIDERATION to the original poster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
If you have an issue with a particular member,please contact the administrator or a moderator.
This sentence is found in the last section of 3(b) if you have a issue with me I would suggest the same instead of wreaking the forum for you entertainment.
It appears to have worked...HaHa...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bushmoose
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Originally Posted by Gilroy
What we have here is a total disrespect for the law( well not the law just Gilroy..Aka Burford T. Justice).Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilroy
And it all turned to crap once again. Thread closed!