6 arrested with semi-auto rifle

6 charged in Toronto after police seize semi-automatic rifle, ammunition - seized a Glock 9 mm semi-automatic rifle.

I was reading up on this headline, this appears to be the firearm in question. The firearm apparently was stolen, and none of the six had a firearm licences. My puzzlement is it’s classification and the fact it has an over capacity magazine I know there are a few firearms with over capacity magazines that rate an over capacity magazine exemption, I can’t imagine how this one made that list? However, although seems a bit low powder for big game, it might make a great little rifle for small game, with the added advantage of having a center-fire cartridge that can be reloaded.


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6 charged in Toronto after police seize semi-automatic rifle, ammunition - seized a Glock 9 mm semi-automatic rifle.

I was reading up on this headline, this appears to be the firearm in question. The firearm apparently was stolen, and none of the six had a firearm licences. My puzzlement is it’s classification and the fact it has an over capacity magazine I know there are a few firearms with over capacity magazines that rate an over capacity magazine exemption, I can’t imagine how this one made that list? However, although seems a bit low powder for big game, it might make a great little rifle for small game, with the added advantage of having a center-fire cartridge that can be reloaded.


CABELA’S CANADA (Advertisement)
JR Carbine Glock 9mm Semi-Automatic Rifle
Article # 144492 $1,049.99


PRODUCT DESCRIPTION
The JR Carbine Glock 9-mm Semi-Automatic Rifle features an ambidextrous stock with telescoping six-position collapsible buttstock. The integral flattop Picatinny rail allows optics and accessories to be easily mounted. Available with an 18-1/2-inch free-floating barrel; with a black synthetic stock. Includes one 10-round glock-style magazine.


Classification: Non-Restricted.


PAL Required – Requires a valid PAL to purchase.
Export-Restricted – Cannot ship outside of

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Generally, it’s not the firearm that determines what the magazine capacity is, it’s what firearm the mag is designed for. The mag was designed for the glock pistol, thus the 10 round capacity.
The same issue allows a 10 round LAR mag, to be used in the Benelli MR1.

I almost bought one of those at gun show had two clips Like new $600.
Figured Trudeau would take something like that away so I walked

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Generally, it’s not the firearm that determines what the magazine capacity is, it’s what firearm the mag is designed for. The mag was designed for the glock pistol, thus the 10 round capacity.
The same issue allows a 10 round LAR mag, to be used in the Benelli MR1.

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That seems to make sense, but I looked up the Benelli MR1 and it appears to be marketed with a 5-round STANAG magazine (Standard), which would comply with the Firearm Act magazine limit for centre-fire semi-auto's. Does the JR magazine not have to be pinned or does it have an exemption under the Act? It seems to be marketed with a 10 round magazine, as a non-restricted firearm??

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That seems to make sense, but I looked up the Benelli MR1 and it appears to be marketed with a 5-round STANAG magazine (Standard), which would comply with the Firearm Act magazine limit for centre-fire semi-auto's. Does the JR magazine not have to be pinned or does it have an exemption under the Act? It seems to be marketed with a 10 round magazine, as a non-restricted firearm??

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The mag does not need to be pinned because it’s designed for the Glock pistol.
The LAR mags were designed for that pistol, but fit in the Benelli MR1.

When I purchased mine I was told because the mag was designed for a Glock, it is legal. They are a very fun gun to shoot but I personally would not consider it for hunting. They are available in 9mm, 40 cal and 45 cal.

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The mag does not need to be pinned because it’s designed for the Glock pistol.
The LAR mags were designed for that pistol, but fit in the Benelli MR1.

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Correct me if I’m wrong, but what you seem to be saying is that the JR 9 mm Glock rifle that is part of the news release I was referring to, garners an exemption under the Firearm Act, it being a centre-fire semi auto rifle that has a magazine that hold in excess of 5 rounds. Also it is classed as a non-restricted firearm as far as marketing is concerned. If that is the case, it should make one heck of a rabbit and small game rifle.


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Correct me if I’m wrong, but what you seem to be saying is that the JR 9 mm Glock rifle that is part of the news release I was referring to, garners an exemption under the Firearm Act, it being a centre-fire semi auto rifle that has a magazine that hold in excess of 5 rounds. Also it is classed as a non-restricted firearm as far as marketing is concerned. If that is the case, it should make one heck of a rabbit and small game rifle.


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No, the gun is never restricted to magazine length, the magazine is what is limited. The gun is not prohibited if it has a magazine that is over capacity, the magazine itself is what is prohibited.

For example, a pistol magazine is limited to 10 rounds for the caliber it is designed for. If you make a non-restricted firearm that can take a pistol magazine that is limited to 10rds then you can legally use that. This is the case with the LAR pistol magazines in a rifle or any of these pistol magazine carbines. You can also use cartridges in a magazine that do not match the marked caliber, so you can use a 5rd 50 Beowolf magazine and put almost 18rds of 223 in it.

The same works in reverse as seen with the 10/22 platform. Since the Charger pistol has been in existence the 10/22 rifle 10+ magazines can be used in that pistol and therefore are prohibited as they can work in the pistol. Pistols do not have a difference between rimfire and centerfire as is the case with rifles.

Here is a good read that explains it yet they seem to say that the butler creek 10/22 25rd mags are legal but they are not anymore, they need to be pinned to 10rds.

https://www.wolverinesupplies.com/bl...n-firearms-law

I personally think that the mag limit should be made 10 across the board for everything centre fire. We have had 10 round pistol mags used in rifles for as long as the law as it is now has existed and without any issues. While many people agree mag limits are dumb anyway, a 10 round for the gun you are using it in limit would be simpler for owners and police.


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I personally think that the mag limit should be made 10 across the board for everything centre fire. We have had 10 round pistol mags used in rifles for as long as the law as it is now has existed and without any issues. While many people agree mag limits are dumb anyway, a 10 round for the gun you are using it in limit would be simpler for owners and police.


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I hope you mean semi autos only, a 10rd mag limit would make a number of rifles prohibited without heavy modifications.

The Liberals will never make the magazine capacity larger, never going to happen.

The reason for the rules are with respect to standard magazine capacities. Rifles used for hunting almost always max out at 5rds, extended magazines are not something normally found in the field so this is why that number was used. 10rd capacity in pistols would not interfere with competition and worked around the most standard capacity for both semi auto and revolvers. The largest 22LR revolver capacity that I know of is 10rds, so not plugging on a revolver would be necessary as every revolver would be 20rds or less.

Of course, sensationalist story following absolutely dismal police work.

"6 charged".

Only one person can have the charges placed and stick. I guess it's a charge everyone and let the lawyers sort it out who's going to wear the charge.

A JR Carbine and 24 rounds of ammo isn't exactly a huge threat to society. It would be interesting to see what the investigation reveals as to the original source.

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Of course, sensationalist story following absolutely dismal police work.

"6 charged".

Only one person can have the charges placed and stick. I guess it's a charge everyone and let the lawyers sort it out who's going to wear the charge.

A JR Carbine and 24 rounds of ammo isn't exactly a huge threat to society. It would be interesting to see what the investigation reveals as to the original source.

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Not necessarily ! It would depend on the circumstances. It’s not uncommon for one or more people to be charged and convicted of possession of something....

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Of course, sensationalist story following absolutely dismal police work.

"6 charged".

Only one person can have the charges placed and stick. I guess it's a charge everyone and let the lawyers sort it out who's going to wear the charge.

A JR Carbine and 24 rounds of ammo isn't exactly a huge threat to society. It would be interesting to see what the investigation reveals as to the original source.

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I haven't seen the original story, but why do you say "dismal" police work? If the firearm was found in the possession of a group of punks, thugs or whatever, isn't that a good thing?

It was in a home search warrant. Police had a search warrant for a house, in the end most of the charges will be dropped against some of the accused. It's just what the police do they will charge them all most will be dropped as they head into court.
If none of them admitted to it right away they will try for them all but most will not stick.


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It was in a home search warrant. Police had a search warrant for a house, in the end most of the charges will be dropped against some of the accused. It's just what the police do they will charge them all most will be dropped as they head into court.
If none of them admitted to it right away they will try for them all but most will not stick.


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It’s not the police....it’s the Crown that plays”let’s make a deal”, and you are right, some charges will get dealt away to make that deal. This is one of the major problems police officers have with Crown Attorneys....very frustrating to say the least !!

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It’s not the police....it’s the Crown that plays”let’s make a deal”, and you are right, some charges will get dealt away to make that deal. This is one of the major problems police officers have with Crown Attorneys....very frustrating to say the least !!

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It is the police at first, the crown knows nothing until it is in the court.
The police half to do what they have to do when no one rightfully admits it there for most time several people will have the same charges until brought to the courts. Yes.

In this case there was 3 adults and 3 teens witch could be the children and or friends. But we dont know that as fact.

I just received word on another fellow I know had a handgun and some cocaine . Same thing search warrant but he admitted it was none of the rest of the house there for he was the only one arrested now it's off to the courts. He is trying for bail now I can keep us posted lol. He could be out now haha but again I only a see a year out of this . It's a shame many never grow up outta the game. Money is too much for some to just simply say no.

I personally know of 3 all out search warrants on homes of people I know in the past year. And it all depends on what happened after the police showed depends on who they take. The first one last year arrested the all 5 in the house . The second saw 3 arrested and this last one I believe it was just 1 .

No I am not in the crowd I just know many people and know what's happening on our streets. I listen to my children in school so I am well up to date with the facts also my job I meet many and we openly talk and discuss what's going on. It's what happens when you work with younger people . I have similar stories so it can open up fast . I am not a preacher or a cop I will listen to their stories share some and so on. I will not judge them I just shack my head every now and then.

Have not seen a court room in almost 20 years and dont ever plan on it again. Unless someone messes with my family then we will have a problem and no I will not call the police first lol.

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Of course, sensationalist story following absolutely dismal police work.

"6 charged".

Only one person can have the charges placed and stick. I guess it's a charge everyone and let the lawyers sort it out who's going to wear the charge.

A JR Carbine and 24 rounds of ammo isn't exactly a huge threat to society. It would be interesting to see what the investigation reveals as to the original source.

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I wouldn't call it dismal police work,but,I'd sure as hell wouldn't hesitate to call it dismal reporting.....as usual. Those know-nothing morons could screw up The Lord's Prayer if they knew it.

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It’s not the police....it’s the Crown that plays”let’s make a deal”,

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Wanna solve the gun violence problem..3 yrs MANDATORY prison time for possession of a Restricted gun without a license....no ifs ands or butts.

No more playing "Lets make a Deal' ....

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Wanna solve the gun violence problem..3 yrs MANDATORY prison time for possession of a Restricted gun without a license....no ifs ands or butts.

No more playing "Lets make a Deal' ....

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That's just for starters. Minimum sentencing was struck down by higher courts under pressure from the Liberal bureaucrats inside the justice system. We need to end patronage appointments in the judiciary and demand all prosecutors,justices and judges be elected. We also need to make prison sentences for using a firearm in the commission of drug dealing or any form of organized crime so severe and draconian that gang bangers would sooner carve off their testicles with a dull spoon than serve one day in jail. It works for Asian and South American nations,why not this one?

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Wanna solve the gun violence problem..3 yrs MANDATORY prison time for possession of a Restricted gun without a license....no ifs ands or butts.

No more playing "Lets make a Deal' ....

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You know that's is the exact thing the liberals did 4 years ago, was reverse stiffer penalties for gun crimes. The gangbangers now get little to no time at all for criminal gun charges. It's great to be a gangster in Canada.

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That's just for starters. Minimum sentencing was struck down by higher courts under pressure from the Liberal bureaucrats inside the justice system. We need to end patronage appointments in the judiciary and demand all prosecutors,justices and judges be elected. We also need to make prison sentences for using a firearm in the commission of drug dealing or any form of organized crime so severe and draconian that gang bangers would sooner carve off their testicles with a dull spoon than serve one day in jail. It works for Asian and South American nations,why not this one?

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Because we have hug-a-thug Liebrals...........

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Wanna solve the gun violence problem..3 yrs MANDATORY prison time for possession of a Restricted gun without a license....no ifs ands or butts.

No more playing "Lets make a Deal' ....

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MikePal, your statements reads: Wanna solve the gun violence problem..3 yrs MANDATORY jail time for possession of a Restricted gun without a license....no ifs ands or butts.


No more playing "Lets make a Deal' ....


Cabela is marking this particular firearm as Non-Restricted in their advertisement, that is what is adding to my confusion. Plus being a centre-fire rifle and coming with a 10 round magazine appear to go contrary to the 5 round magazine limit on centre-fire semi-automatic rifles and shotguns. Because it’s some type of derivative of 9 mm Glock pistol the magazine limit somehow does not some how apply to it, because the limits are placed on the magazine not the firearm. The one exemption I’m aware under the Firearm Act for the 5 round magazine limit for centre-fire semi-auto rifles is the M1 Garand 30-06 which can have 8 rounds in the magazine. That is my puzzlement with this peculiar firearm being marketed having a 10 round magazine, does it also garner an exemption?


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MikePal, your statements reads: Wanna solve the gun violence problem..3 yrs MANDATORY jail time for possession of a Restricted gun without a license....no ifs ands or butts.


No more playing "Lets make a Deal' ....


Cabela is marking this particular firearm as Non-Restricted in their advertisement, that is what is adding to my confusion. Plus being a centre-fire rifle and coming with a 10 round magazine appear to go contrary to the 5 round magazine limit on centre-fire semi-automatic rifles and shotguns. Because it’s some type of derivative of 9 mm Glock pistol the magazine limit somehow does not some how apply to it, because the limits are placed on the magazine not the firearm. The one exemption I’m aware under the Firearm Act for the 5 round magazine limit for centre-fire semi-auto rifles is the M1 Garand 30-06 which can have 8 rounds in the magazine. That is my puzzlement with this peculiar firearm being marketed having a 10 round magazine, does it also garner an exemption?


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This has been explained to you....twice!

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That's just for starters. Minimum sentencing was struck down by higher courts under pressure from the Liberal bureaucrats inside the justice system. We need to end patronage appointments in the judiciary and demand all prosecutors,justices and judges be elected. We also need to make prison sentences for using a firearm in the commission of drug dealing or any form of organized crime so severe and draconian that gang bangers would sooner carve off their testicles with a dull spoon than serve one day in jail. It works for Asian and South American nations,why not this one?

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We are to soft and sorry saying Canadians lol.
Lots of places in the states have a rule if drugs and gun are together when trafficking, then it a mandatory minimum sentence of 5 years. Stiffer sentences would deteriorate some but others just dont give 2 fks.



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Not necessarily ! It would depend on the circumstances. It’s not uncommon for one or more people to be charged and convicted of possession of something....

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True.

There can be multiple counts of possession. However charging everyone simply creates confusion and reasonable doubt, unless someone chooses to inform on their friends / family.

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Cabela is marking this particular firearm as Non-Restricted in their advertisement, that is what is adding to my confusion. Plus being a centre-fire rifle and coming with a 10 round magazine appear to go contrary to the 5 round magazine limit on centre-fire semi-automatic rifles and shotguns. Because it’s some type of derivative of 9 mm Glock pistol the magazine limit somehow does not some how apply to it, because the limits are placed on the magazine not the firearm. The one exemption I’m aware under the Firearm Act for the 5 round magazine limit for centre-fire semi-auto rifles is the M1 Garand 30-06 which can have 8 rounds in the magazine. That is my puzzlement with this peculiar firearm being marketed having a 10 round magazine, does it also garner an exemption?

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That is because the gun is non-restricted.

There is no exemption here, this is a pistol magazine, pistol magazines are restricted to 10rds, not 5rds like semi auto centerfire rifles.

Can you please read up on the actual laws as has been pointed out to you numerous times here.

The number of times I was told that you cannot have more than a 5rd mag is amazing for people with a PAL in this country.

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That is because the gun is non-restricted.

There is no exemption here, this is a pistol magazine, pistol magazines are restricted to 10rds, not 5rds like semi auto centerfire rifles.

Can you please read up on the actual laws as has been pointed out to you numerous times here.

The number of times I was told that you cannot have more than a 5rd mag is amazing for people with a PAL in this country.

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That's not really surprising,Fox. There's people who still think they need a bank vault to secure firearms among a lot of other old wive's tales that are flat-out bullshyte,too. Do you ever browse the gun nuts site? There's enough foolishness espoused on there that just makes one wonder how some gun owners can walk and chew gum at the same time.:rolleye:

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I hope you mean semi autos only, a 10rd mag limit would make a number of rifles prohibited without heavy modifications.

The Liberals will never make the magazine capacity larger, never going to happen.

The reason for the rules are with respect to standard magazine capacities. Rifles used for hunting almost always max out at 5rds, extended magazines are not something normally found in the field so this is why that number was used. 10rd capacity in pistols would not interfere with competition and worked around the most standard capacity for both semi auto and revolvers. The largest 22LR revolver capacity that I know of is 10rds, so not plugging on a revolver would be necessary as every revolver would be 20rds or less.

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Yea I mean semi auto. This wouldn’t apply to tube mags either since the reload time on those makes them not very “useful for evil purposes”

There are a number of bolt action rifles out there that take mags that work in semi-auto rifles.

My main point is that we’ve had the “loophole” without any issues for so long that the law itself has been proven to be stupid.


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Not necessarily ! It would depend on the circumstances. It’s not uncommon for one or more people to be charged and convicted of possession of something....

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Possession means knowledge and access/control. If you know some has an illegal gun but don’t have access then you aren’t in possession. If someone has an illegal gun in their backpack or your car without your knowledge then technically you don’t possess it. That last example is the one that’s hardest to defend in court though. Hopefully your “friend” takes the rap and goes on record that you didn’t know about the gun.

In this case it’s a standard strategy of charging everyone and letting the court figure it out/see who pleas out.


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Yea I mean semi auto. This wouldn’t apply to tube mags either since the reload time on those makes them not very “useful for evil purposes”

There are a number of bolt action rifles out there that take mags that work in semi-auto rifles.

My main point is that we’ve had the “loophole” without any issues for so long that the law itself has been proven to be stupid.


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I don't think there is really anything wrong here, how often are any of these used for crimes and if they are going to commit a crime then why would a mag restriction stop them? You can get mags in the states and bring them here if you really wanted to have high capacity.

Don't change fixed magazine capacities and go with 10rds would be fine with me but they will never expand it, if anything they will restrict it more with the current government.

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I don't think there is really anything wrong here, how often are any of these used for crimes and if they are going to commit a crime then why would a mag restriction stop them? You can get mags in the states and bring them here if you really wanted to have high capacity.

Don't change fixed magazine capacities and go with 10rds would be fine with me but they will never expand it, if anything they will restrict it more with the current government.

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One reason why I would love a trip to Navada, then again it may annoy me when anything I get here stops at 5rds.

At this point in time any firearms purchases are iffy, you have no idea what Bill Blair may do. He may just do what he said and ban the AR-15 and a few other current restricted (not going to make me happy), but he could give in to the NDP and ban all handguns or come out with a New Zealand or Australian model and even the Cooey 600 bolt action would be banned.