Finally the Ont gov is proposing to bring the spring bear hunt back, 21yrs of dumbness and theyre finally seeing the facts...
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Finally the Ont gov is proposing to bring the spring bear hunt back, 21yrs of dumbness and theyre finally seeing the facts...
It has been back, for a few years now.
Only as a "pilot". We're in the last year of the 5 year expansion to the original 2 year pilot. Which at the time, only had the hunt around 5 major northern cities for residents only. The 5 year expansion we are currently in opened it to all wmu's and non-residents.
This, is a full return of the spring bear hunt season.
https://globalnews.ca/news/6426335/o...ack-bear-hunt/
It could always change, no matter if it were permanent or not.
I know that last year any WMU that had a fall hunt had a spring hunt, but I don't think that non-residents were allowed yet.
I have not seen the billboards like I used to back in the middle 90s, so maybe the tree huggers are too busy with climate change.
It is currently still a proposal, but that is great news.
In Ontario the Spring Bear hunt is back as Pilot project for 2 extended for 5 years as I know .
This year is the last , we should use this one , maybe the last one ....
Next year maybe not going to have a Spring Bear hunt , but up north the fall Bear hunt start in August 15
so don't cry , use the info and use the time ...
I am getting tired of hunters complaining off no opportunity to hunt in Ontario ....
Big game , Moose Deer Bear Wolf and so on ....
I hope I will not upset the forum , with my opinion but I want to say ,
just get out in the wilderness and enjoy the opportunity camping hunting on crown land ,
where in the world you can get a Bear tag for $50 ...
And only the third of hunters are successful to fill the tag .
I have an old friend and hunting buddy who has hunted Blackies all his life. When the government brought in the new baiting regs,he chuckled to himself when he read the vitriol from hunters claiming they were ruining the hunt by restricting bait stations. He showed me decades ago that the very best bait station was a Coleman stove,iron skillet with bacon and eggs, a pot of beans and a coffee pot cooking breakfast at least an hour before first light,then,leave the pan on the stove "to cool" while he set up his watch 50 yds away. If there was a Bear within a couple of miles of smelling that,they were there within a couple of hours.
You are right ...
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Mr. Stewart, you are in for it now. 'you can't handle the truth'... J. Nicholson,...A few good men.
Can't help myself ,when I see falsehoods posted on here purporting to be truth. That the Kahdr payout was caused by the liberals is one of those.
Well,
We can digress a wee bit.
The Khadr payout was the decision of the Liberal Govt, regardless for the events taking place under the previous one. It should also be noted that the civil lawsuit award in the US by the widow of the US Service member he killed, is still before the courts to determine if it can be enforced in Canada ( $134M).
On May 7, 2015, Khadr was freed on bail with strict conditions, including living with and under supervision of his lawyer Edney. [190] Following his release, in the first public interview Khadr has been allowed by either US or Canadian governments, he begged the public to "give [him] a chance" to "prove to them that [he's] more than what they thought of me, ... that [he's] a good person",[191][192] saying he is not the man the authorities have portrayed.[193] On May 8, 2015, Canada's Prime Minister Stephen Harper said he was unapologetic about his government's efforts to keep Omar Khadr imprisoned. [194]
A week after his release, the Supreme Court of Canada released a further decision concerning his incarceration. On May 14, 2015, the Supreme Court of Canada rejected the federal government's position, ruling that Khadr had clearly been sentenced by the U.S. military tribunal as a minor. If he lost his appeal of the US conviction, underway in a separate action, he would serve any remaining time in a provincial facility rather than in a federal penitentiary. [195][196]
On February 18, 2016, the newly elected Liberal federal government dropped the appeal started by the previous Conservative federal government that sought to revoke his bail. [3]
Sorry,
The lawsuit that was filed was before the courts. Not concluded under the Liberal Govt.
The decision to settle, and pay out the $10.5M fell to Trudeau and his Cabinet. Many Canadians polled thought that even $0.01 of taxpayers money was too much, and that his freedom and continued citizenship should have been more than enough.
Up until the 2015 Federal Election, the Govt was committed to defending the action in Court. One of the main pillars of that defense was that once outside of Canada, and participating in a war of aggression, and subsequently detained by a foreign government for acts of war / terrorism, it would be hard to prove direct culpability. We saw much of the same thing in the 90s when young men left our borders and went to the Balkans.
In 2013, Khadr filed a CA$20 million civil suit against the government of Canada alleging that it had conspired with the U.S. in abusing his rights. He said he had signed the plea agreement because he believed it was the only way he could gain transfer from Guantanamo, and claimed that he had no memory of the firefight in which he was wounded.[5][4]
On July 4, 2017, an unnamed government source leaked that the Canadian government would apologize and pay C$10.5 million in compensation to Khadr.[25] At a press conference on July 7, 2017, Attorney General Jody Wilson-Raybould and Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale confirmed the settlement and issued a formal apology on behalf of the government.[6] In an interview with Rosemary Barton of Power & Politics that day, Khadr said that he hoped the apology restores a little bit of his reputation. He also said that he hoped the settlement and apology would not cause the Speer family pain and said that if it does, he was sorry for that.[204]
Nice to see the CBC already out spreading mis information...cant say im surprised...
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...ists-1.5431752
So if the libs continued to fight the ruling of the Supreme Court of Canada , and lost , the payout was then moved up to 20 mill. on who would you place the blame then? You do know that you cannot keep appealing a verdict until you get the result you want.
Clearly you're confused.
The lawsuit ( Civil Action) launched by Khadr was in fact not ruled upon in the courts. It was seeking $20M correct.
The Supreme Court ruled on the Govt position that Khadr was improsoned legally.
Two different items.
Yes, if the Courts had made a ruling, then the verdict and subsequent award would have been the decision of an impartial panel ( Jury), or a Judge, with a view to the rule of law. Not by politicians who saw fit to pay out of the public purse by expediency.
However, continue to deflect from the original incorrect statement.
Rob Steward indicated that the Khadr settlement was a result of the Government prior to Trudeau, which in fact is wholly incorrect. The $10.5M was a figure wholly decided on, and awarded by Trudau and Ralph Goodale.
This statement, regardless of what spin suits you, is quite irrefutable.
So he may of saved the taxpayers 10 mill.?
1. May HAVE. Grammar is important.
2. Hypothesizing about legal outcomes, particularly in a "what if" scenario, is never a solid debate strategy.
3. A civil action before the courts asking $20M, may have any myriad of outcomes, including a greatly reduced award, or even a dismissal. It was the award, out of hand, of taxpayers dollars, without a fight that was the real issue. As the previous Govt was quite content to fight it based on the principle that a terrorist POS didn't deserve it.
But please continue to deflect the fact that the statement as put forward was completely without basis. Keep doing it and enough people may in fact lose sight of the fact that the award, WAS the Trudeau Govt decision.
Spring bear hunt proposal pits hunters against wildlife conservationists - you dont have to look any further than the title... misleading and infers hunters are not conservationists.
While the article did a good job with its feedback from the OFAH, These left leaning groups based out of downtown Toronto like Animal Alliance will be against any form of hunting or trapping so to label them as an authority or "wildlife conservationist" is laughable. Also, No mention of areas of Ontario where children cant go outside for recess due to too many bears around...
Maybe David Suzuki can pay Animal Alliance to do a study and find a new strain of bear like the Algonquin Bear or Sudbury bear and we can try and ban all hunting around this new species..it worked for coyote wolf hunting!!
Yep.
And read the third opinion, coupled with the conclusion, even from the CBC. They had to admit that there had never been a civil case in Canada as unique as this one. ( particularly when someone was an enemy combatant, and imprisoned for same by another country), but also that the entire case " may have a pretty good chance".
All 3, opinions solicited by CBC in support of the government that funds them...
Yep, nothing to see here, move along.
Yes, and the supreme court ruling has nothing to do with the subsequent civil action.
Tort law differs from constitutional law. Given your credentials I would have assumed you knew that.
Otherwise a financial award would have been given ( except the Supreme Court were not in a position to do so, were they?)
Edit: political stuff removed.
And before anyone tries to say I’m a liberal supporter, I happen to literally be a card carrying member of the Conservative party. I even spent some time this last election volunteering for our MP.
I just don’t need to add made up crap to a pile of crap that stands in it’s own.
Also, I’d like to bear hunt this spring but my biggest concern is getting the bear out of the woods without an ATV. Thoughts?
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Game cart would do-especially if not really far in.
Quarter it debone and use a backboard pack.
What do you know, a comment that's actually on topic. The lack of moderation in this forum at times is really disappointing.
I leave an old hood from a small car near my stands. Long tow rope already attached. Also drill extra holes along the sides to attach straps. One or more at the back too, to attach a short rope to control the arse end swing. Slides pretty well over anything including rocks. Some tree straps, a few pulleys and a good rope or two can really make the difference on slopes or rough terrain or even crossing a creek , specially if you're good with pulley systems.
Or of course you could do this mod like we did on one at a buds place where I took my best Bruin. In this case we had a 3 wheeler available but there was a good hill we figured it couldn't handle. Bolted a winch on and left a 12V battery with it. We needed it on that hill for sure, she was a big gal.
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Yes at one point this thread surely got off topic.
You guys have given me some hope on this bear idea. I’m thinking of a place where perhaps I will could be only a couple hundred yards from the road.
Now for deer I’ve had them come within range while I could see the car from the stand but I’ve always read that bear are extremely timid so I imagine having to be pretty far from the road and people.
Then there is the issue of setting up bait and so on ahead of time etc. I’ve got a lot of studying to do.
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20 years in the making to fix a huge mistake.
I have one of those. I also was thinking worst case I bring a bunch of rope and a block and tackle and use trees to haul the bear's out of the woods!
Skin and debone right where it drops and you only have to take out what you actually want
I believe that's called "The Alaskan Method" and can be found on YouTube. I've seen it used very effectively.
P.S.: I've deleted the posts that triggered the original subject to go off the rails. I should have known. My apologies. New Years resolution....no more political comments by me on these threads. It's too divisive and serves no useful purpose.
We have one at the camp which we have used for many years to haul out our moose behind a 4x4 atv, rocky ground has not yet worn it out, but it does have a few gouges on the bottom, after many moose being hauled out in our area # 54.
The one we have is called a "snow tote ", It's at least 1/2 inch thick, high density polyethylene plastic.
Pretty much the same for me,hoping this year to bait and take my first bear.I have chosen a spot as close to the road legally as possible and hope for a good shot and it drops close by.I do have people to call up there with an ATV if its really a problem.
Bears being timid does not seem to be a problem up my way,I have them on trail camera within 200 yards of the roadway which is little traveled.Managed the other day to pick up a two 5 kilo containers of Molasses for $5.00 a piece from Club Warehouse,the containers were
expiring on the 20th Jan 2020 so got them for half price.
I have never really been real interested in bears or bear meat and my main motivation is predator control as I know these guys take fawns and calf,s given half a chance. It will be interesting to try a few recipes for the bear meat,I am also within driving distance of Ralph,s butcher shop in Norwood..
Exactly.
You'd think maybe the CBC could've reported on the bear "Dump Sites" that were created as a result of the spring bear hunt cancellation. You know, all the cubs that were orphaned from the hundreds if not thousands of bears that were killed and dumped over the 20 years for reasons like simply crossing invisible property lines. That should've fell directly at the feet of animal right yahoos. Nope, not with our media it won't.
The same scum that are trying to prevent a full reinstatement were the ones responsible for having the hunt cancelled in the first place and that includes the CBC and their propaganda. It was lies then and continues to be lies today.
The MSM has created a knowledge production crisis, sadly it's not that hard to see why some people can be so F'N stupid.
I've been posting the stories of my group's spring bear DIY efforts for a few years now, and think I showed this one off last spring. One of the guys bought this gorilla cart from TSC(or maybe Princess Auto?) and it worked great for both baiting and hauling bears, with or without an atv. Rated for 1200lbs
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Ok “bear” with me on this one.
I have my old wagon from when I was a kid. My father built it out of plywood, 1/2” steel tubing and solid rubber wheels typically found on a moving cart.
When I was a teen I blew the engine in my car. I moved my swing set over the engine compartment and put a chain block and tackle right in the middle of the cross bar and hauled the engine up out of the car. Yea, my dad built that swing set too.
I lowered the engine down onto my “little red wagon” and moved it into the garage to take it apart and see what happened. (It was an autopsy not a repair. I was just curious and never had taken an engine apart before).
A few years ago my dad redid the wood on my wagon. It’s in my garage and I’ve never really had any use for it...
So while I have no doubt it would hold the weight, the question is, do I pull it out and (ab)use it as a game cart?
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I had one of those at my cottage for hauling stuff in behind my quad. ( This was before we built the road in).
The only thing I'll say is that the front axles / steering are the weakest points. It worked great until the wheels turned one too many times as they rolled over an obstacle. The metal eventually gave out. I removed the front wheels assembly, and rigged it up with the fixed rear wheels only, and used a piece of tubing to hitch the frame up.
I'd say so. "Bear" in mind, it depends on the terrain where you're hunting. The big advantage we found with this cart was the ground clearance. It clears rocks and brush nicely without too much effort. And the skinny tires and light weight body make it roll pretty effortlessly. Being fairly light is also nice when you have to flip it onto a trailer. See first pic here:
https://www.oodmag.com/community/sho...ow-Spring-Bear
Can't really comment on that as I've never shot a larger boar, that sow is my largest. Now during the rut I could see a boar tasting different and perhaps not being as tender. I think one of the main factors overall would be diet. Some buddies shot a 'dump" bear one year while out moose hunting and it was so strong you couldn't cook it in the house.
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I have heard the old saying "you are what you eat " the same would hold true for a bear.
Diet does effect the taste of any thing that you eat be it domestic or wild. Just think of diver ducks verses puddlers, Spruce Grouse verse Ruffed Grouse, free range chickens verses the bland tasting supermarket variety, wild and domestic turkey and the list goes on.
http://ofah.convio.net/site/R?i=wAbCdf7aU8164d-GZ2CNog
Here's a link if you want to add some more vocal support.
Thanks for that link