New proposals are out, couple interesting ones
https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/eccc/documents/pdf/oiseaux-migrateurs-migratory-bird/proposals-amend-canadian-migratory-birds-regulations-dec-2019.pdf
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New proposals are out, couple interesting ones
https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/eccc/documents/pdf/oiseaux-migrateurs-migratory-bird/proposals-amend-canadian-migratory-birds-regulations-dec-2019.pdf
I like the possibility of more consistent limits for geese in my WMU #84
Not sure the changes will really matter in that aspect, this year you would gain 1 day of 5 bird limit over 3. Other years you might loose a day or 2. They say it’s to simplify things......... what’s so confusing about the Nov 1st date every year??? To me it will add more confusion for those who already have issues reading/comprehending the regs.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMatthews
I personally hate the 3 bird restrictions...........every time I hunt in those areas they have more geese than the non restricted areas to the west. The james bay goose populations are no longer declining...............
Guys in area 94 should like the increase to 3 birds over 2........again a restricted area that I don’t agree with, the area has a ridiculous amount of geese all fall and winter.
I'm with ya there. Shooting more and more James Bay bands in other non-restricted WMUs.Quote:
Originally Posted by duckslayer
-Nick
How about a late season everywhere? Take the days off the end of the regular season in Sunday zones. It really is that simple.
Or just change the early( sweat your butt off) season and make it a late ( spring resident)Season.Quote:
Originally Posted by kk1
The problem with the late season is most of the water is frozen so it really limits the places to hunt, and concentrates hunters. I'd rather the early season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
S.
Late season as in March? Try to hit the resident geese before the Migratory ones move north.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinker
I wish they could call the early "local" goose season a nuisance season and not count it in the 107 days allowed (similar to what they do for snow geese in the spring) ... maybe even have a winter hunt for the same reason and not count them in the 107 days ... I hate when the goose closes near the end of December and geese are swimming around in the decoys when we can only shoot ducks, and those January geese are really all locals which are overabundant here ... it won't fly, but would be a good idea and give us more chances to lower the local populations.
Pretty much what I was thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gadwall
Taking days from the early season or the end of the regular season to add days to the late feb/March season doesn’t make any sense. Anyone I know who is a dedicated waterfowler would not be happy with ether of those scenarios.
Gadwall is right on the money, the early and late seasons are supposed to be nuisance residents seasons and I feel should not be counted in the 107 days. Would be great if the late season was opened up across the southern region and not just in no Sunday zones which are getting to be fewer and fewer every year.
No you were suggesting taking days away from the early season to add days to the late season.........no thanks!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
No I was thinking about there being NO EARLY SEASON in September, and a full on Resident Season in the spring.Quote:
Originally Posted by duckslayer
As for thanks or no thanks. Who cares what you want. This is a discussion, people will discuss ideas.
Still not an idea I would get behind........so ya no thanks!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
So your allowed to give your opinion but I’m not??? How about you stick to shooting pigeons and wrestling park swans............
maybe you should learn to read, you disagreed with me then wrote exactly what I said in different words................
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Originally Posted by duckslayer
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Originally Posted by Snowwalker
The "Different" words have different meaning.Quote:
Originally Posted by duckslayer
Taking days from the Early Season implies there would still be an Early Season.
I clarified that I meant doing away with the Early Season totally.
Give it up will you! enough of this B.S.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
Couldn’t agree more!Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
Let me ask you this snowwalker how many hunts did you get on during the last early season?? How many hunts did you get on last late season??? How many birds did you harvest both seasons?? I’m willing to bet the farm you didn’t get out once during ether............maybe we should be saying who cares what you think!!
Well to get back on topic.
DS, you have stated what you don't like so can you now Grace us mortals, and tell us how "YOU" think the problems with Resident Geese would be solved.
J'c you are correct. I let him lead me down the rabbit hole.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
As many times as you and I have disagreed on topics, many times I find we also agree.
Get off the computer and go and hunt them !Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
See on this we agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
Just need to be in ontario more.
On a side note. Did you know New Mexico Jack Rabbit hunting is hard on my arrows.
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Good thing they have an Archery shop just off I-10 in Deming, NM.
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Who cares ?:rolleye:Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
J you say the sweetest things. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
What do have Jack Rabbits and arrows have anything to do on a Waterfowl Forum ????Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
As has been said on post # 12 on Hunting 101 .
What is wrong with you????Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
I already stated that I agree with what Gadwall wrote, that’s what I would suggest..........not taking away the early season or days at the end of the regular season.........again slow down when your reading maybe you will comprehend what’s being said.....
Again what are you smoking??? I didn’t lead you anywhere!! You ran down that hole with your head up your ..................Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowwalker
I don’t think JC has the same outlook on your guys interactions........
Wow I replied after reading page 2 not realizing there was another whole page of ridiculousness...............
Almost every dedicated waterfowler i know would support taking days off the end of the regular season to have a late season. Although no one would budge on the early season. This comes from guys all over. Rested birds with a 10 bird limit. Whats not to like about that?Quote:
Originally Posted by duckslayer
Personally myself and friends find that the end[late] part of the regular season is the best for ducks especially when most ponds are frozen over and we find them in the sheltered creeks that are still open and flowing. For this reason , we would hate to lose that.Quote:
Originally Posted by kk1
As for the geese,over the years, we have found that in the late season [ end of Feb. into March] the geese are not as tasty as they have lost all the fat in their bodies.
You wouldnt loose that. This wouldnt affect the duck season dates. Only geese. Definitely love late ducks. We killed mallards on the last day of the season this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
As for geese not having fat on em. That all depends on how rough the winter is. This varies from year to year. Ive seen it where birds had severe dips in their chests. But other years they are in the same shape as late season. Depends on your area and what food sources are available to them.
KK1.........You said it, depends on your area.......... that is why I’d never want days at the end of regular season taken away for late season, 9 out of 10 years during a regular winter there are ZERO birds in the area, no open water = no birds........The only people this would benefit would be guys that live on the shores of the Great Lakes or by larger rivers that have open water.
I know a lot of fowlers province wide and have never heard one of them state they would rather late season over late regular season but everyone has there own opinion. Not sure it would fly province wide or should I say southern region wide
I probably hunted with 25 different guys this year. It always seems to come up we all agree and love late season. Hunted from coburg to windsor basically with a few different crews. Most of the areas in between hold birds in the late season. My core area holds a ton of birds guelph/eramosa. We recently lost our late season which completely sucks. You must be north or maybe have never hunted it. Again not sure why one wouldnt want a 10 bird limit on birds that haven't been shot in almost 2 months. Like you said though, everyone has their own opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by duckslayer
It doesn’t matter if it’s 5 birds or 10 birds if there are none to hunt???
I’ve hunted lots in the late season but 9 out of 10 years I have to travel to do so and I live in a no Sunday hunt area..........
It’s not like I’m against it............
And no I don’t live in the north.
Like I stated previously a few times now, I’d love for the late feb/mar season to be opened up southern district wide but as a nuisances season (like they deem these hunts) that doesn’t count against the 107 days. As soon as you start taking days away from regular season I don’t agree. Again that’s my opinion
Oh boy.Quote:
Originally Posted by kk1
With no late season! So whats it matter????Quote:
Originally Posted by Sprite
Definitely would be nice just to have it without cutting into the 107 allowable days. Agree to disagree on the days being shaved off the end of the regular season i guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by duckslayer
Doesn't matter. You're not doing yourself (or me) any favours.Quote:
Originally Posted by kk1
Lol! Ive heard your sensitive. Its a big area with no late season, and very difficult to get perm as you may know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sprite
Don’t put too much stock in what you hear.Quote:
Originally Posted by kk1
Might be some truth to it judging by your comments in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sprite
It looks like you have a bad case of " lastworditis "!Quote:
Originally Posted by kk1
[QUOTE=jaycee;1103894]It looks like you have a bad case of " lastworditis
Na, just addressing unnecessary comments that make little to no sense
[QUOTE=kk1;1103988]Just as yours do! :rolleye:Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
[QUOTE=jaycee;1104006]Lol. From a guy who doesn't understand how seasons work!Quote:
Originally Posted by kk1
[QUOTE=kk1;1104016]Hmm, after 60 years of Waterfowl Hunting, ??? and working with the MNR as a Deputy C.O. , I wonder if you could explain things to me??:rolleye:Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
You would not lose any time off your duck season. Ducks and geese are 2 separate things.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
If days were taken off the end of the regular goose season, to make room for a late goose season. This would not change dates on ducks!
There had been some discussion earlier concerning ducks also , that is why I posted my reply as I did.Quote:
Originally Posted by kk1
Never saw any of that. No one ever said duck season would be shorter. It was about geese. Anyway duck dates werent the issue........Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
I hesitate to inject myself in this discussion there seems to be a lot of bad blood from earlier discussion. I also admit I am not much of a goose hunter. I much prefer ducks both to hunt and eat. However I do live in farm country and watch the birds. If we want to control resident non-migratory geese I think there should be a season starting mid-March (call it a nuisance hunt or cull). At this time of year I watch mated pairs (so for sure they are local) spend all day flying from small water to small water shopping for a nest site and making a lot of noise. It would not require decoy spreads, calling or sophisticated hunting techniques. Any farm kid with a shotgun could plunk himself by a pond and have a reasonable chance of success. All the birds harvested would be adult, local and breeders and therefore offer the best population control.
Bingo!Quote:
Originally Posted by jaycee
A very effective plan. It would also correspond with the start of the proposed Cormorant season. Lots of small creek with areas that are only accessible via canoe or kayak would hold lots of the nest shoppers as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by singlemalt
No just presenting an honest opinion in an open duscussion. While correcting those who arent aware of how things work.Quote:
Originally Posted by duckslayer
Hello Guys,
You will have noticed that there were no provisions for a limited (tag only) Tundra Swan season in the proposed changes this time around. I will post what happened last fall that resulted in a limited (tag only) Tundra Swan season not being accepted and supported by the respective Provincial Governments during the recent review process last fall.
I would like to thank Delta Waterfowl, the Manitoba Wildlife Federation and the Saskatchewan Wildlife Federation for their effort and support for such a season as well as those individuals who submitted a personal letter of support for such a season ... hopefully the next round of discussions in the fall of 2021 will be more productive for us.
However it is my understanding that Alberta was successful in getting a Sandhill Crane season this year and although Ontario did not get a Sandhill Crane season this year both Delta Waterfowl and the Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters have made their support for such a season known.
I also understand that both Delta Waterfowl and the Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters had requested that the Mute Swan be removed from the List of Protect Species ... something that I had proposed to the Canadian Wildlife Service back in 2010. Hopefully this proposal will be accepted during the next round of discussions in the fall of 2021.
Jerome Katchin, D.V.M.
If there is legit over abundance, then I would say that a conservation order to establish a set of dates to deal with the problem is the way to go. That would then live outside of the days allotted by the MBTA. I certainly wouldn't want to see days taken away from the existing seasons, but there is a case to be made for hunting 'fresh' birds. Late season geese are fun, but they can be quite smart. Adding opportunities at other times of year is appealing....just saying.