DU not supporting Gun owners

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February 5th, 2020, 04:17 AM
MikePal

DU not supporting Gun owners

Kind of disappointing.....

From the Canadian Coalition for Firearm Right (CCFR) FB page

Quote:

Lately, there has been an incredible awareness movement from all members of our community.

From different national gun organizations, Provincial Wildlife Associations, retailers to hunting associations and to individuals, we were all united in an effort to demand the government to respect the appropriate parliamentary process.
The Liberal Government's plan to ban semi-automatic weapons using an order is anti-Democratic and frankly anti-Canadian.

We have reached out to our precious friends and defense partners all over the country to ask them to send a united message.

All answered the call, except one.

Last week ducks unlimited Canada leaders met with our vice president of public relations, Tracey Wilson.
She simply asked them to share and spread the petition www.e2341.ca, but she was told resolutely that ducks unlimited Canada does not defend the possession of guns, hunting and that it is an organization strictly dedicated to the Conservation of wet areas.

In recent years, Tracey has been one of the speakers invited at unlimited Canada fundraising, working on our common cause; she was shocked by their refusal to defend Canadian gun hunters and gun owners .

We share many members with unlimited ducks from coast to coast and beg them to unite with the whole community and respond to this simple request.

Ducks Unlimited (DU) response.

https://www.ducks.org/about-ducks-un...nt-on-firearms
February 5th, 2020, 06:29 AM
line052

Ya I have been following Kelley Wilsons posts on this issue. This is why I am not a member of DU.
February 5th, 2020, 08:20 AM
terrym

This could seriously impact their membership and revenues. I hope it does.
February 5th, 2020, 08:23 AM
FishHog

It’s pretty sad. How many DU embossed shotguns are out there?
February 5th, 2020, 09:26 AM
magnumforce

Why are people surprised when DU Canada didnt support the fight against bill c68 the long registry. Since then I have been a member of Delta Waterfowl a true supporter of duck hunters, and a conservation organization
February 5th, 2020, 09:31 AM
Mkunk

DU has received over 37 million dollars from the Canadian government over the last three years. Tax payer dollars. Of course they wouldn't want to be seen going against the Feds squirrely ideals , even though it would be the right thing to do.
http://www.charityintelligence.ca/ch...limited-canada
February 5th, 2020, 09:33 AM
trimmer21

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikePal

Kind of disappointing.....

From the Canadian Coalition for Firearm Right (CCFR) FB page

Ducks Unlimited (DU) response.

https://www.ducks.org/about-ducks-un...nt-on-firearms

Not to be critical,but,it's important to note that this cited response is from DU America. Ducks Unlimited Canada is dodging the issue with a classic cop out. They're trying to suck and blow at the same time. They hold themselves out to be a hunting/conservation organization,but,when it comes down to standing up for their members in the trenches,they turn tail and hide. There's no way in this issue that they can sit on the fence. They're either in or out,no two-way street this time. It's impossible to be a little bit pregnant.
Now,DUCanada sits on the Firearms Advisory Board. If they don't want to advocate for hunters on firearms,why are they there?
February 5th, 2020, 09:50 AM
SongDog

Well that's the last time I support these yahoos.

I'll be calling them tonight to come rip every damn DU nest box, sign off our property if that's the way they stand. I've supported Delta more the past few years anyways.

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February 5th, 2020, 09:52 AM
Gilroy

There are 200,000 names on this petition against the Government proposed changes but there are 2.2 million licensed gun owners in Canada.

I think if I were you guys to be a lot more worried about the other TWO MILLION having not signed the petition.

I fully support their stance and can see me having them put up some duck nesting boxes on my ponds.

https://www.ducks.org/about-ducks-un...nt-on-firearms
February 5th, 2020, 10:12 AM
Fox

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilroy

There are 200,000 names on this petition against the Government proposed changes but there are 2.2 million licensed gun owners in Canada.

I think if I were you guys to be a lot more worried about the other TWO MILLION having not signed the petition.

I fully support their stance and can see me having them put up some duck nesting boxes on my ponds.

https://www.ducks.org/about-ducks-un...nt-on-firearms

Please note that the shotgun in the middle of that picture will be one of the first on the ban list if they move beyond banning existing restricted.
February 5th, 2020, 10:51 AM
Bluebulldog

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilroy

There are 200,000 names on this petition against the Government proposed changes but there are 2.2 million licensed gun owners in Canada.

I think if I were you guys to be a lot more worried about the other TWO MILLION having not signed the petition.

I fully support their stance and can see me having them put up some duck nesting boxes on my ponds.

https://www.ducks.org/about-ducks-un...nt-on-firearms

Nice bit of deflection there Gilroy.

It isn't a system of you have to be for or against one or the other.

We can be concerned about the 2M persons who haven't signed the petition yet, AND highlight that a very popular charitable organization which purports itself to support hunting, and benefits greatly from firearms owning waterfowl hunters, isn't issuing a statement to its membership, nor falling down on the side of the law against it.

Argument from a position whereby one position depends on the other isn't an ideal position.
February 5th, 2020, 11:47 AM
FishHog

The number of signatures does seem low to me for something so important but it is by far the highest number of signatures in history. For some perspective Wendy’s petition for a gun ban got 20,00

and this is about more than guns. It’s about the liberals using an OIC to bypass normal parliamentary procedures to do whatever they want
February 5th, 2020, 12:12 PM
Bushmoose

Quote:

Originally Posted by FishHog

this is about more than guns. It’s about the liberals using an OIC to bypass normal parliamentary procedures to do whatever they want

Actually, it's more about our system of government that we should all be concerned about as Canadians. Any governing party can use the OIC, it's been used many times throughout our history, that isn't news. The fact that option exists at all, should be a concern.
February 5th, 2020, 12:29 PM
jaycee

I don't want to start a big argument here but, having been a member of D.U. for many years, I have to stand up for them.

Ducks Unlimited main function, mandate or whatever you want to call it is , 'the acquiring , improving and maintaining of wetlands "' Without wetlands , you/we would have no waterfowl to hunt, and one thing to remember is " that there are many members of D.U. that are not hunters, yet they are there doing what they can to help acquire and keep wetlands going to enable us hunters to also do what we like , that is hunting waterfowl and also so that many others, viewers photographers and such can enjoy the wetlands for what they are and do accomplish.
Wetlands are necessary for the survival of many species, not just waterfowl that is why I support Ducks Unlimited!
February 5th, 2020, 01:01 PM
sabmgb

I was a supporter of DU, but stopped years ago. i don't see why anyone is surprised at them not supporting gun owners, I didn't like the idea of me as a hunter giving them money so they could buy of land and make it unhuntable. I see this as just another tree hugging city person moving to the country to post everything and not allow people to do what Canadians have done from the start. I have no problem with someone not wanting me to hunt their property, but when they turn and start lecturing me about how bad I am as a person I just shake my head, because I realize they have come from the city and are trying to make everyone around them be like them. Even the farmers don't like these people.
February 5th, 2020, 01:15 PM
Mkunk

DU Canada states it has purchased 300,00 acres of land since it's inception. Just in the last 3 years it has raised $304,000,000. That's over a $1000.000 and acre. I understand some operating costs. But this was just the last 3 years!!! What I'm getting at is it's not money well spent. I guess supporting them is like a bad habit.
February 5th, 2020, 01:18 PM
smitty55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilroy

There are 200,000 names on this petition against the Government proposed changes but there are 2.2 million licensed gun owners in Canada.

I think if I were you guys to be a lot more worried about the other TWO MILLION having not signed the petition.

I fully support their stance and can see me having them put up some duck nesting boxes on my ponds.

You just can't help yourself can you? Always have to be contrary just to stir the pot. Obviously hunters don't really matter to DU yet you support them regardless, sure doesn't say much about your character does it. Pretty sad.
February 5th, 2020, 01:44 PM
rick_iles

Quote:

Originally Posted by smitty55

You just can't help yourself can you? Always have to be contrary just to stir the pot. Obviously hunters don't really matter to DU yet you support them regardless, sure doesn't say much about your character does it. Pretty sad.

That’s what TROLLS do !!!!
February 5th, 2020, 02:10 PM
Gilroy

Quote:

Originally Posted by smitty55

You just can't help yourself can you? Always have to be contrary just to stir the pot. Obviously hunters don't really matter to DU yet you support them regardless, sure doesn't say much about your character does it. Pretty sad.

Well with just 200,000 votes out of 2.2 million you kinda look like a "fringe special interest group" to other Canadian,s concerned about gun control and what not.The OIC issue with not resonate with most Canadians.
February 5th, 2020, 02:11 PM
Gilroy

Quote:

Originally Posted by rick_iles

That’s what TROLLS do !!!!

This post of yours is exactly what trool,s do.

I do see that you cannot seem to string a post together without resorting to name calling and insults,if you cannot play nice you should leave and sandbox.
February 5th, 2020, 02:11 PM
Gilroy

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaycee

I don't want to start a big argument here but, having been a member of D.U. for many years, I have to stand up for them.

Ducks Unlimited main function, mandate or whatever you want to call it is , 'the acquiring , improving and maintaining of wetlands "' Without wetlands , you/we would have no waterfowl to hunt, and one thing to remember is " that there are many members of D.U. that are not hunters, yet they are there doing what they can to help acquire and keep wetlands going to enable us hunters to also do what we like , that is hunting waterfowl and also so that many others, viewers photographers and such can enjoy the wetlands for what they are and do accomplish.
Wetlands are necessary for the survival of many species, not just waterfowl that is why I support Ducks Unlimited!

Bravo.....
February 5th, 2020, 02:19 PM
trimmer21

I guess,when you think about it,it's not a lot different than this forum where some members are only into angling and archery hunting and couldn't give two hoots and a holler if all firearms are banned. It doesn't affect them,so,who cares?
February 5th, 2020, 02:34 PM
jaycee

Quote:

Originally Posted by sabmgb

I was a supporter of DU, but stopped years ago. i don't see why anyone is surprised at them not supporting gun owners, I didn't like the idea of me as a hunter giving them money so they could buy of land and make it unhuntable. I see this as just another tree hugging city person moving to the country to post everything and not allow people to do what Canadians have done from the start. I have no problem with someone not wanting me to hunt their property, but when they turn and start lecturing me about how bad I am as a person I just shake my head, because I realize they have come from the city and are trying to make everyone around them be like them. Even the farmers don't like these people.

Can you support this with any facts? I have yet after all these years, to here anyone from D.U. condemning hunters, or having farmers around here saying that they do not like D.U.,where do you get that from?
February 5th, 2020, 02:38 PM
GW11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilroy

Well with just 200,000 votes out of 2.2 million you kinda look like a "fringe special interest group" to other Canadian,s concerned about gun control and what not.The OIC issue with not resonate with most Canadians.

Maybe 2 million gun owners don't believe that an online petition will amount to a bloody thing, so they don't bother.

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February 5th, 2020, 03:26 PM
Gilroy

Quote:

Originally Posted by GW11

Maybe 2 million gun owners don't believe that an online petition will amount to a bloody thing, so they don't bother.

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Or they have seen the abuse of power so often by the opposition that they become immune to all the tricks and figure they are all "at it".

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2015/08/1...f-Power-Final/
February 5th, 2020, 03:33 PM
Gilroy

Quote:

Originally Posted by trimmer21

I guess,when you think about it,it's not a lot different than this forum where some members are only into angling and archery hunting and couldn't give two hoots and a holler if all firearms are banned. It doesn't affect them,so,who cares?

There are a lot of shift,s taking place and one I have noticed over the years is that younger hunters of big game seem to buying BOLT ACTION rifles over semi auto,s most all the time.I also see on most hunting shows that bolt action rifles are more often being used.
February 5th, 2020, 03:50 PM
Jeeptag

Thanks MikePal appreciate you sharing the information. It helps me make an informed decision regarding who I want to support.

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February 5th, 2020, 03:51 PM
chesapeake

In response to mkunk.

DU does create and maintain water features on lands they do not own as well.

A water control dam to keep a pond/marsh at optimal depths probably isnt cheap. Think of just permits from the local Conservation Authority.

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February 5th, 2020, 04:10 PM
trimmer21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilroy

There are a lot of shift,s taking place and one I have noticed over the years is that younger hunters of big game seem to buying BOLT ACTION rifles over semi auto,s most all the time.I also see on most hunting shows that bolt action rifles are more often being used.

That's quite possible. Bolt actions have always been more popular for several reasons,mostly,because they're easier to maintain and there's a significant cost advantage. One can buy a very nice upgraded bolt action for the extra cost of a semi-auto. Many new hunters are coming from European countries where beautifully crafted bolt actions are exceedingly popular. After having owned and used both over the years,I'm solidly in the "bolt action" camp,but,I'll not accept that semi-autos should be removed from the market or be "bought back" simply because they look "scary." I'm still fully supporting semi-auto owners as I would expect them to support me should the situation be reversed..
February 5th, 2020, 04:14 PM
oaknut

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilroy

Well with just 200,000 votes out of 2.2 million you kinda look like a "fringe special interest group" to other Canadian,s concerned about gun control and what not.The OIC issue with not resonate with most Canadians.

So, if the 200,000 signatures makes it a "fringe special interest group " it would only make sense that any other petition in Canadian history was not worth laying eyes upon, correct?

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February 5th, 2020, 04:15 PM
Gilroy

I am glad that you are supporting me as a semi-auto owner but I,am pretty flexible and would have no problems changing over to a bolt action especially if it would give some comfort to my fellow Canadians.
February 5th, 2020, 04:21 PM
Gilroy

Quote:

Originally Posted by oaknut

So, if the 200,000 signatures makes it a "fringe special interest group " it would only make sense that any other petition in Canadian history was not worth laying eyes upon, correct?

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I would say in Canadian history petitions do not really get very far so will probably agree with you. However if I were Minister Blair I would simply thank the authors of the petition for their support in highlighting that this petition is from a fringe element of licensed gun owners
and both the Liberals,NDP and Green party could come out and say this poor showing in the petition gives them the mandate to continued with their reforms on behalf of the other 2 million. I think its called political spin.You got to be careful with these petitions.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...-waste-of-time

Mind you after reading the above I kinda liked this one LOL

This is nothing new. In 1914, 350,000 American children signed a petition asking for the First World War to stop. Imperial Germany didn’t listen, but they were more receptive four years later when two million Americans arrived to press the issue with guns.
February 5th, 2020, 04:43 PM
Bluebulldog

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilroy

There are a lot of shift,s taking place and one I have noticed over the years is that younger hunters of big game seem to buying BOLT ACTION rifles over semi auto,s most all the time.I also see on most hunting shows that bolt action rifles are more often being used.

Not just younger hunters.

There's a reason why hunters choose bolt action.

1. More calibers.
2. They go bang every time.
3. More accurate.

Now having said that, I shoot a bolt gun for the main reason, it's what I started shooting with years ago, (Steven's 58 shotgun).

The advantage is that no matter how fast you can cycle a bolt gun, you're still going to make your 1st shot count over those who might be inclined to "spray and pray".
February 5th, 2020, 04:44 PM
canadaman30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilroy

I am glad that you are supporting me as a semi-auto owner but I,am pretty flexible and would have no problems changing over to a bolt action especially if it would give some comfort to my fellow Canadians.

What comfort is there for people when licensed owners give up there guns, while the unlicensed gangsters shoot on? None of the shootings and killing in the last week in Toronto were licensed gun owners. Seems less comforting knowing there more bad guys with gun and less good people with guns.
February 5th, 2020, 04:49 PM
Gilroy

Quote:

Originally Posted by canadaman30

What comfort is there for people when licensed owners give up there guns, while the unlicensed gangsters shoot on? None of the shootings and killing in the last week in Toronto were licensed gun owners. Seems less comforting knowing there more bad guys with gun and less good people with guns.

I do not think there are more bad guys with guns than good guys simply because the bad guys appear to be eliminating their own numbers on a daily basis.I kinda take some comfort in this.

Even with the bad guys killing each other the good guys still have way... more guns.
February 5th, 2020, 04:55 PM
Gilroy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bluebulldog

Not just younger hunters.

There's a reason why hunters choose bolt action.

1. More calibers.
2. They go bang every time.
3. More accurate.

Now having said that, I shoot a bolt gun for the main reason, it's what I started shooting with years ago, (Steven's 58 shotgun).

The advantage is that no matter how fast you can cycle a bolt gun, you're still going to make your 1st shot count over those who might be inclined to "spray and pray".

Well I shoot a semi auto because its the gun I started with years ago.My mentor told me to buy a 30.06 because of the versatility of the rifle.
I was also hunting deer over hounds and kinda followed what most guys had in camp,I didn,t even scope it for years.But I was never a spray and pray guy and have dropped all my deer over the years with one single shot on almost all years,so a transition to a bolt would be easy.
February 5th, 2020, 04:59 PM
canadaman30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilroy

I do not think there are more bad guys with guns than good guys simply because the bad guys appear to be eliminating their own numbers on a daily basis.I kinda take some comfort in this.

Even with the bad guys killing each other the good guys still have way... more guns.

When the unlicensed gangster shoots a kid like a couple weeks ago what comfort is there? I guess if farmers and hunters don't have semiautos that's comforting to the families of a slain child in the city?
February 5th, 2020, 05:38 PM
Gilroy

Quote:

Originally Posted by canadaman30

When the unlicensed gangster shoots a kid like a couple weeks ago what comfort is there? I guess if farmers and hunters don't have semiautos that's comforting to the families of a slain child in the city?

I think you misunderstand where I take the comfort its from sentences like this in stats can

"Just over half (51%) of adult homicide victims had a Canadian criminal record. Of the 27 youth victims aged 12 to 17 years, 11% had a youth record."Over half were killed by firearms from what I see in the stats.

So back to my original contention the gang bangers and criminal element are doing pretty good at eliminating themselves.
February 5th, 2020, 06:27 PM
canadaman30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilroy

I am glad that you are supporting me as a semi-auto owner but I,am pretty flexible and would have no problems changing over to a bolt action especially if it would give some comfort to my fellow Canadians.

What comfort are you giving fellow Canadian city folk living in gangland by giving up your semi-autos?
February 5th, 2020, 06:38 PM
SongDog

Gilroy really needs to learn how to quote a post and reply without making it all into one

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February 5th, 2020, 06:51 PM
BurlyGirl

1 Attachment(s)

Attachment 39669

From DUC's FB page
February 5th, 2020, 06:52 PM
BurlyGirl

1 Attachment(s)

Attachment 39670

Also from their FB page
February 5th, 2020, 10:29 PM
trimmer21

Quote:

Originally Posted by BurlyGirl

Attachment 39669

From DUC's FB page

The bulk of DUC's membership are hunters. I would think DUC should show some loyalty to their people and get heavily involved. Their position makes no sense other than fear of rocking the boat with government. Sorry,I ain't buyin' it.
February 5th, 2020, 11:58 PM
rossh

Seems to me back in 1938 when DU was formed it was by conservationists hunters .
February 6th, 2020, 03:41 AM
MikePal

Quote:

Originally Posted by trimmer21

The bulk of DUC's membership are hunters. I would think DUC should show some loyalty to their people and get heavily involved. Their position makes no sense other than fear of rocking the boat with government. Sorry,I ain't buyin' it.

x2....I would have expected more support, like this:

The Canadian Wild Turkey Foundation supports Canadian gun owners and hunters. Sign www.e2341.ca and stand united!!:

https://i.imgur.com/NJBBbOjl.jpg
February 6th, 2020, 07:55 AM
Bluebulldog

Quote:

Originally Posted by BurlyGirl

Attachment 39669

From DUC's FB page

Yep,

After social media starts a fire burning, they issue a very well crafted, non political statement. They might as well merge with the Sierra Club.

The majority of supporters of DU are hunters, ergo gun owners.

I am reminded of an old saying from my army days. "You take the Queen's Shilling, you do the Queen's bidding".

It's hard to take millions in funding from the feds, and remain non-partisan.
February 6th, 2020, 11:59 AM
jaycee

Ducks Unlimited was originally founded/started as a Conservation Group by waterfowlers , to conserve wetlands, which also helped increase waterfowling across the nation.
To this day they are still a Conservation Organization whose many members are not hunters, but waterfowl viewers with binoculars, photographers and conservation teaching groups that help educate the younger generation.
D.U.'s mandate always was and still is " Conservation of Wetlands ".

I think that the hunter members of D.U. do themselves support the petition.
February 6th, 2020, 12:09 PM
MikePal

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaycee

Ducks Unlimited was originally founded/started as a Conservation Group by waterfowlers , to conserve wetlands, which also helped increase waterfowling across the nation.

The thing is, like the QDMA organization, calling the work they do 'conservationists' is a bit of a misnomer. In reality they are organizations that create habitats to ensure they have game to hunt. Not that that is a bad, thing, but lets call a spade a spade.
February 6th, 2020, 12:15 PM
jaycee

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikePal

The thing is, like the QDMA organization, calling the work they do 'conservationists' is a bit of a misnomer. In reality they are organizations that create habitats to ensure they have game to hunt. Not that that is a bad, thing, but lets call a spade a spade.

If that's what you think, stick with it, but that is a very narrow minded line of thought.
There are many that will disagree with that line of thinking.
Conservation of wetlands , isn't just for waterfowl, wetlands benefit all wildlife, including humans
February 6th, 2020, 12:29 PM
MikePal

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaycee

Conservation of wetlands , isn't just for waterfowl, wetlands benefit all wildlife, including humans

Yes, but when it's conducted by Hunters, there's an ulterior motive and to deny that, is disingenuous.
February 6th, 2020, 12:58 PM
BurlyGirl

1 Attachment(s)

Attachment 39684

Posted nine mins ago
February 6th, 2020, 12:59 PM
duckslayer

CWTF supports the petition, good stuff.

Have any other organizations released their stance on the petition?? Maybe before everyone jumps ship we should look at what the alternatives opinions/stances are on the subject. Is delta waterfowl backing the petition?? I’m sure they are but and statements like cwtf?
February 6th, 2020, 01:15 PM
Mkunk

It is disappointing that DU Canada won't even share links to the petition and proposed legislation. They wouldn't have to say they support it either way.
I'm quoting the following from another forum. I've confirmed it's true
"One of DU's board members from Saskatchewan, James E. Couch holds a seat on the Canadian Advisory Committee.
The purpose of the Committee is to provide advice to the Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness on pragmatic measures to reform Canada’s firearms policies, laws and regulations to ensure a modernized firearms regime that will keep Canadians safe and safeguard their rights and freedoms in an open and democratic society.
am appalled that DU has not stepped up to share in this process.
Thousands of DU members are firearms owners and the sweeping legislation which may occurred is something which will affect all firearms owners which in turn will have an effect on conservation and wildlife management."
February 6th, 2020, 01:21 PM
Mkunk

[COLOR=#505050]Dear Waterfowl Hunters,

The Canadian Liberal Party is, once again, making plans to bring in new gun restrictions. This includes creating a list of semi-automatic rifles that would be banned based on appearance rather than function. The party is also considering a "buy back" program for these guns. In addition, it is looking at enabling municipalities to create local handgun bans.

While these actions may appear on the surface to be doing something to make our country safer, we feel that these efforts are likely to be ineffective, costly and negatively impact innocent, responsible gun owners. There are many more important issues to consider when trying to address violent crime and the criminal misuse of firearms. Just like the former gun registry, these new efforts will be expensive, burdensome, offensive to responsible firearms owners, and ineffective at reducing violent crime.

Please review this article from our partners at OFAH, and consider voicing your perspective by signing the petition and contacting your MP.

Delta Waterfowl
The Duck Hunters Organization™
February 6th, 2020, 01:31 PM
duckslayer

Great, thank you mkunk!
February 6th, 2020, 01:45 PM
Mkunk

Make sure to run out and purchase a www.ducks.ca/ontarioguncalendar oh wait...... That's kinda hypocritical isn't it??
February 6th, 2020, 01:56 PM
jaycee

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikePal

Yes, but when it's conducted by Hunters, there's an ulterior motive and to deny that, is disingenuous.

No body is denying that anywhere in this thread!
February 6th, 2020, 02:39 PM
Snowwalker

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mkunk

Make sure to run out and purchase a www.ducks.ca/ontarioguncalendar oh wait...... That's kinda hypocritical isn't it.

Every single shot gun on that Calendar page are on the list of fire arms to be banned.

Maybe DU does not realize, that if Liberal gun control laws stop hunters from hunting, they will lose too.

If there is little to no duck hunters, then there is little to no need for conservation organizations.
Sporting goods manufacturer donations dwindle, memberships dwindle, funds for conservation dwindle, wetlands dwindle, and waterfowl and wildlife numbers dwindle.

When the money from hunting related spending dries up, so will the money for Conservation.
February 6th, 2020, 03:12 PM
trimmer21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snowwalker

Every single shot gun on that Calendar page are on the list of fire arms to be banned.

Maybe DU does not realize, that if Liberal gun control laws stop hunters from hunting, they will lose too.

If there is little to no duck hunters, then there is little to no need for conservation organizations.
Sporting goods manufacturer donations dwindle, memberships dwindle, funds for conservation dwindle, wetlands dwindle, and waterfowl and wildlife numbers dwindle.

When the money from hunting related spending dries up, so will the money for Conservation.

For arguments sake,let's imagine that everything in your post comes to fruition. The only way to compensate for the destruction of conservation funding is a general income tax increase of around 8%. Can you just hear the whining,yelling and screaming from the anti gunners/hunters,then? We should mention that in our campaign. Do you think that would get their attention?
February 6th, 2020, 04:15 PM
canadaman30

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Originally Posted by BurlyGirl

Attachment 39684

Posted nine mins ago

They are already feeling the backlash...lol
February 6th, 2020, 04:44 PM
Snowwalker

Quote:

Originally Posted by trimmer21

For arguments sake,let's imagine that everything in your post comes to fruition. The only way to compensate for the destruction of conservation funding is a general income tax increase of around 8%. Can you just hear the whining,yelling and screaming from the anti gunners/hunters,then? We should mention that in our campaign. Do you think that would get their attention?

It would only worry the middle class. Since the Elite and Political leaders don't listen to the middle class, I am not sure how effective it would be.

But maybe we'll get lucky.

Look what a photo shopped Polar Bear did for the Global Warming Campaign.
February 6th, 2020, 07:56 PM
Gilroy

Quote:

Originally Posted by canadaman30

What comfort are you giving fellow Canadian city folk living in gangland by giving up your semi-autos?

I did not say city folk living in gangland, I stated "my fellow Canadians" as in post #31.
February 6th, 2020, 07:57 PM
Gilroy

Quote:

Originally Posted by SongDog

Gilroy really needs to learn how to quote a post and reply without making it all into one

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"Ya, we need more people that come here FOR HUNTING RELATED TOPICS, Not just spew leftist garbage that noone wants to read."
February 6th, 2020, 08:22 PM
Snowwalker

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilroy

"Ya, we need more people that come here FOR HUNTING RELATED TOPICS, Not just spew leftist garbage that noone wants to read."

That would be the Leftist garbage type posts you make?
February 6th, 2020, 09:15 PM
canadaman30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilroy

I did not say city folk living in gangland, I stated "my fellow Canadians" as in post #31.

So who do you consider your fellow Canadians that you will give more comfort in giving up your semi auto rifles?
February 7th, 2020, 04:19 AM
MikePal

Back on topic:

I see that DU has provided an explanation as to why they are staying silent....

Appears they are more worried about their tax-free charitable designation with the CRA than keeping guns in the hands of their members.

Quote:

In addition, Canada Revenue Agency guidelines stipulate that DUC can only engage in political activities that further our charitable purpose of wetland conservation.

https://www.ducks.ca/ducks-unlimited...qcWbG_CRAzYNC0
February 7th, 2020, 07:23 AM
Badenoch

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snowwalker

Every single shot gun on that Calendar page are on the list of fire arms to be banned.

Did you somehow get leaked a copy of the list of the gun that will be banned in Canada? Do you have a crystal ball?
February 7th, 2020, 07:30 AM
oaknut

Quote:

Originally Posted by Badenoch

Did you somehow get leaked a copy of the list of the gun that will be banned in Canada? Do you have a crystal ball?

Please see the thread regarding the "New Zealand buy back". Trudough thought it was great.

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February 7th, 2020, 07:32 AM
SongDog

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilroy

"Ya, we need more people that come here FOR HUNTING RELATED TOPICS, Not just spew leftist garbage that noone wants to read."

Lol really taking my post to heart eh, Well at least you realise everything you type on here is garbage.

Not sure why I can still see your posts/threads when your on ignore block either.

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February 7th, 2020, 08:01 AM
Badenoch

Quote:

Originally Posted by oaknut

Please see the thread regarding the "New Zealand buy back". Trudough thought it was great.

There is not a single gun as shown in the DU calendar that would be banned in New Zealand. Some of the models are mentioned but are banned ONLY if they have magazine capacities over 5.

To say that every shotgun pictured in the calendar will be banned here based on New Zealand is complete crap.
February 7th, 2020, 09:44 AM
Sprite

I'm as dedicated a waterfowler as they come, and for me, the argument comes down to one thing: I care about ducks more than I care about guns.

To bash a conservation organization (and to say it's not conservation is just asinine) is as counter-intuitive as mindsets come. Say what you will, but there's no organization out there that does more for wetlands and waterfowl habitat than DUC.

-Nick
February 7th, 2020, 09:50 AM
fishermccann

Quote:

Originally Posted by Badenoch

There is not a single gun as shown in the DU calendar that would be banned in New Zealand. Some of the models are mentioned but are banned ONLY if they have magazine capacities over 5.

To say that every shotgun pictured in the calendar will be banned here based on New Zealand is complete crap.

Say what it really is, a LIE.
February 7th, 2020, 09:52 AM
longpointer

Thanks MikePal your #66 post says it all.
Have to admit reading all the other opinions was somewhat entertaining but as usual strayed from the main topic or just turned into tit for tat arguments. So if you want to save wetlands invest in a DU membership , if you want to keep your guns … invest in a membership in one of the organizations that will fight for that.
February 7th, 2020, 10:05 AM
trimmer21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Badenoch

There is not a single gun as shown in the DU calendar that would be banned in New Zealand. Some of the models are mentioned but are banned ONLY if they have magazine capacities over 5.

To say that every shotgun pictured in the calendar will be banned here based on New Zealand is complete crap.

Semi-auto and pump shotguns can hold 5 or more rounds when the plug is removed. Anyone can remove a plug because the plugs aren't permanent. That puts them squarely in the sights of the anti gunners when unspecified blanket legislation is enacted by the usual "know nothings" as we saw in Australia and New Zealand.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sprite

I'm as dedicated a waterfowler as they come, and for me, the argument comes down to one thing: I care about ducks more than I care about guns.

To bash a conservation organization (and to say it's not conservation is just asinine) is as counter-intuitive as mindsets come. Say what you will, but there's no organization out there that does more for wetlands and waterfowl habitat than DUC.

-Nick

You're missing the point. 80% of the DUC membership is comprised of gunners. What's counter-intuitive is the fact that DUC has chosen to abandon their members. It's this simple,with no gunners there'll be no members,no DUC or at the very most,a vastly reduced revenue stream.
February 7th, 2020, 10:47 AM
Snowwalker

Quote:

Originally Posted by Badenoch

Did you somehow get leaked a copy of the list of the gun that will be banned in Canada? Do you have a crystal ball?

Trimmer, got your answer before I could, but simply being that they are Semi or Pump Action shot guns. Both types of Firearm were banned Down under, and are the types of Firearms that the Liberals want to ban here.

Gun Manufacturers even designed a lever action shotgun just because of the ban. Then the Au and NZ started to ban them as well.
February 7th, 2020, 11:08 AM
jaycee

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sprite

I'm as dedicated a waterfowler as they come, and for me, the argument comes down to one thing: I care about ducks more than I care about guns.

To bash a conservation organization (and to say it's not conservation is just asinine) is as counter-intuitive as mindsets come. Say what you will, but there's no organization out there that does more for wetlands and waterfowl habitat than DUC.

-Nick

:goodstuff::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: thanks!
February 7th, 2020, 11:29 AM
Fox

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sprite

I'm as dedicated a waterfowler as they come, and for me, the argument comes down to one thing: I care about ducks more than I care about guns.

To bash a conservation organization (and to say it's not conservation is just asinine) is as counter-intuitive as mindsets come. Say what you will, but there's no organization out there that does more for wetlands and waterfowl habitat than DUC.

-Nick

The rules have changed now, there are protections legally in place for wetlands.

Maybe the DUC will go the way of unions, piss off enough people to lose all support.
February 7th, 2020, 11:54 AM
Sprite

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fox

The rules have changed now, there are protections legally in place for wetlands.

Maybe the DUC will go the way of unions, piss off enough people to lose all support.

I call baloney.

You're all welcome to your opinion of course, but for me, I'll continue to support DUC in everything they do. I support them because I believe in what they do -- not because I expect some kind of kickback, appreciation and or representation. I'm a believer in 'jack of all trades, master of none'.

Do I like ARs? Yup. Do I like guns? Yup. That's why I also support other organizations that specialize in these specific issues.

Quit comparing apples to oranges.

-Nick
February 7th, 2020, 12:09 PM
Fox

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sprite

I call baloney.

You're all welcome to your opinion of course, but for me, I'll continue to support DUC in everything they do. I support them because I believe in what they do -- not because I expect some kind of kickback, appreciation and or representation. I'm a believer in 'jack of all trades, master of none'.

Do I like ARs? Yup. Do I like guns? Yup. That's why I also support other organizations that specialize in these specific issues.

Quit comparing apples to oranges.

-Nick

That is fine, you can put your money where you want and others can put their money where they want. There is no use backing DUC because they are there for waterfowl when many hunters in this country do not care about "wasting" their money on a group that to them does not support them.

The number of hunters that are pissed about DUC seems to be quite high, people that casually bought tickets or went out to banquets are going to be leaving, they are shooting themselves in the foot and dividing hunters.

Sure, conservation vs hunting, fine, you can see it as that, many do not.

Many see them as being bought off by the Liberal government, another group that is giving in to money. Here is the link to the unions, the teachers, the automotive sector, etc, etc, etc, they are trying to sell out the future of our province for the money now.

This may not be the opinion of all those out there but you have to look at both sides of the coin.
February 7th, 2020, 12:22 PM
MikePal

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sprite

I'm as dedicated a waterfowler as they come, and for me, the argument comes down to one thing: I care about ducks more than I care about guns.

Quote:

Originally Posted by trimmer21

. It's this simple,with no gunners there'll be no members,no DUC or at the very most,a vastly reduced revenue stream.

If you were to believe in Sprite's bravado Trimmer, if they lost all their guns and the ability to hunt waterfowl the DU membership will still continue with their conservation efforts. No more calendars, Gun raffles or hunting related activities..but they would still carry on for the love of the ducks. :)
February 7th, 2020, 12:45 PM
canadaman30

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikePal

If you were to believe in Sprite's bravado Trimmer, if they lost all their guns and the ability to hunt waterfowl the DU membership will still continue with their conservation efforts. No more calendars, Gun raffles or hunting related activities..but they would still carry on for the love of the ducks. :)

When the government makes cuts and stops financial support, where will they be then?
February 7th, 2020, 01:09 PM
MikePal

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fox

The rules have changed now, there are protections legally in place for wetlands..

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sprite

I call baloney.

Fox is right...The MNRF is now the responsible ministry for Provincially Significant Wetland (PSW) program under the Planning Act.

You may want to read up....

https://www.ontario.ca/page/wetland-conservation
February 7th, 2020, 01:09 PM
Fox

Quote:

Originally Posted by canadaman30

When the government makes cuts and stops financial support, where will they be then?

Well they would be liars if they did not continue to make sure all those wetlands were bought and protected as they are now, I think they would have to give more money to offset the government loses.
February 7th, 2020, 01:29 PM
Sprite

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikePal

Fox is right...The MNRF is now the responsible ministry for Provincially Significant Wetland (PSW) program under the Planning Act.

You may want to read up....

https://www.ontario.ca/page/wetland-conservation

No read up required, I work in the field.
February 7th, 2020, 01:49 PM
Badenoch

Quote:

Originally Posted by trimmer21

Semi-auto and pump shotguns can hold 5 or more rounds when the plug is removed. Anyone can remove a plug because the plugs aren't permanent. That puts them squarely in the sights of the anti gunners when unspecified blanket legislation is enacted by the usual "know nothings" as we saw in Australia and New Zealand.

What was said was that every shotgun on the DU calendar would be banned which is complete bullsh-t. None of those guns will hold more than 5 with the plug removed unless a magazine extension is attached. All of the guns on the calendar can continue to be privately held in New Zealand and Australia although there are additional restrictions in Australia.
February 7th, 2020, 02:24 PM
oaknut

Quote:

Originally Posted by Badenoch

What was said was that every shotgun on the DU calendar would be banned which is complete bullsh-t. None of those guns will hold more than 5 with the plug removed unless a magazine extension is attached. All of the guns on the calendar can continue to be privately held in New Zealand and Australia although there are additional restrictions in Australia.

Consider that a shotgun can hold five 3" shells without the plug, how many Federal shortys could you stuff in there?

I'm not sold that anything is going to happen just yet because the loss in tax dollars would hurt. Libs are going to try and smooth talk their way into as many more votes as possible.

Say the "black gun" ban gets passed, you think it stops there? The antis will pick away piece by piece every time there is a lib PM, like a gangrenous wound consuming a finger, limb then finally taking the body.

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February 7th, 2020, 04:57 PM
Badenoch

Quote:

Originally Posted by oaknut

Consider that a shotgun can hold five 3" shells without the plug, how many Federal shortys could you stuff in there?

I'm not sold that anything is going to happen just yet because the loss in tax dollars would hurt. Libs are going to try and smooth talk their way into as many more votes as possible.

Say the "black gun" ban gets passed, you think it stops there? The antis will pick away piece by piece every time there is a lib PM, like a gangrenous wound consuming a finger, limb then finally taking the body.

Shotgun magazine capacity is determined by the shell for which it is chambered by both the RCMP and COs. There is not a single shotgun shown in the DU calendar that will hold five of the shells shells for which it was chambered in the magazine unless an extension is added.

Your overwrought and juvenile comparison to gangrene notwithstanding, assault rifles were banned in the UK and Australia decades ago and gun owners in both countries can still own other guns so all this BS about all guns being banned next is just that. BS.
February 7th, 2020, 05:32 PM
oaknut

Quote:

Originally Posted by Badenoch

Shotgun magazine capacity is determined by the shell for which it is chambered by both the RCMP and COs. There is not a single shotgun shown in the DU calendar that will hold five of the shells shells for which it was chambered in the magazine unless an extension is added.

Your overwrought and juvenile comparison to gangrene notwithstanding, assault rifles were banned in the UK and Australia decades ago and gun owners in both countries can still own other guns so all this BS about all guns being banned next is just that. BS.

Overwrought and juvenile, for sure! [emoji106]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/reason....england/%3famp

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February 7th, 2020, 05:34 PM
Badenoch

Quote:

Originally Posted by oaknut

Overwrought and juvenile, for sure! [emoji106]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/reason....england/%3famp

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If you can't tell the difference between a knife and a gun perhaps your problem lies elsewhere.
February 7th, 2020, 06:07 PM
oaknut

Quote:

Originally Posted by Badenoch

If you can't tell the difference between a knife and a gun perhaps your problem lies elsewhere.

Now now, let's not get grumpy.
It's a pretty simple breadcrumb trail to follow.

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February 7th, 2020, 06:40 PM
Gilroy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snowwalker

That would be the Leftist garbage type posts you make?

Well you would have to agree first that my posts are Leftist garbage and then ponder why Songdog would want to constantly reply to them when it clearly gives him an ulcer.
February 7th, 2020, 06:43 PM
Gilroy

Quote:

Originally Posted by canadaman30

So who do you consider your fellow Canadians that you will give more comfort in giving up your semi auto rifles?

Well all those other Canadians that are not career criminals and gang bangers who chose to carry and use firearms,mostly against themselves.I have said previously on this thread and others that I loose no sleep over these guys killing each other.
February 7th, 2020, 06:46 PM
Gilroy

Quote:

Originally Posted by SongDog

Lol really taking my post to heart eh, Well at least you realise everything you type on here is garbage.

Not sure why I can still see your posts/threads when your on ignore block either.

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No idea why you might be seeing my posts if I,am on your ignore list,maybe you should contact the moderators?

I am sure if all I posted was garbage the moderators would have put a stop to it awhile ago instead of offering me a moderators job.lol
February 7th, 2020, 06:47 PM
Gilroy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sprite

I'm as dedicated a waterfowler as they come, and for me, the argument comes down to one thing: I care about ducks more than I care about guns.

To bash a conservation organization (and to say it's not conservation is just asinine) is as counter-intuitive as mindsets come. Say what you will, but there's no organization out there that does more for wetlands and waterfowl habitat than DUC.

-Nick

Well said Sir.
February 7th, 2020, 06:51 PM
Gilroy

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikePal

Fox is right...The MNRF is now the responsible ministry for Provincially Significant Wetland (PSW) program under the Planning Act.

You may want to read up....

https://www.ontario.ca/page/wetland-conservation

So what the MNRF is also responsible for the Forest Management Programme, whats your point.These things get changed all the time.
February 7th, 2020, 07:07 PM
Badenoch

Quote:

Originally Posted by oaknut

Now now, let's not get grumpy.
It's a pretty simple breadcrumb trail to follow.

Birds and mice follow breadcrumbs.
February 7th, 2020, 07:35 PM
canadaman30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Badenoch

Your overwrought and juvenile comparison to gangrene notwithstanding, assault rifles were banned in the UK and Australia decades ago and gun owners in both countries can still own other guns so all this BS about all guns being banned next is just that. BS.

Nobody that has an rpal or pal in Canada owns an assault rifle so what are you talking?
February 7th, 2020, 07:41 PM
canadaman30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilroy

Well all those other Canadians that are not career criminals and gang bangers who chose to carry and use firearms,mostly against themselves.I have said previously on this thread and others that I loose no sleep over these guys killing each other.

If you and our idiotic government cant realize the gangbangers are the gun problem, then nothing is going to change. Me turning over my semiautomatic rifles is not going to save a single life, just that simple.
February 7th, 2020, 08:08 PM
rick_iles

Quote:

Originally Posted by canadaman30

Nobody that has an rpal or pal in Canada owns an assault rifle so what are you talking?

That’s not entirely correct ! There are still some licences out there with prohib privileges.
February 7th, 2020, 08:15 PM
Gilroy

Quote:

Originally Posted by canadaman30

If you and our idiotic government cant realize the gangbangers are the gun problem, then nothing is going to change. Me turning over my semiautomatic rifles is not going to save a single life, just that simple.

That is a simplistic approach to a much more complicated problem with gang bangers and career criminals being a small part.
We have the RCMP shootings in Myercough,the RCMP shootings in NB,we have the Danforth shootings,we have domestic assaults involving firearms ECOLE Polytechnic,Mosque shootings,Shooting on Parliament Hill.I could write all night on this.
February 7th, 2020, 08:19 PM
zoli 16ga.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikePal

Kind of disappointing.....

From the Canadian Coalition for Firearm Right (CCFR) FB page

Ducks Unlimited (DU) response.

https://www.ducks.org/about-ducks-un...nt-on-firearms

people are just figuring this out now?
February 7th, 2020, 08:26 PM
zoli 16ga.

Ironic how they stamp their name all over shotguns, sold to banquet auctions, to support their cause...but maybe I'm a bit late to this thread.
February 7th, 2020, 08:29 PM
rick_iles

Quote:

Originally Posted by zoli 16ga.

Ironic how they stamp their name all over shotguns, sold to banquet auctions, to support their cause...but maybe I'm a bit late to this thread.

Pretty simple, no guns, no duck hunters, no DU !!!!!
February 7th, 2020, 08:35 PM
oaknut

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilroy

That is a simplistic approach to a much more complicated problem with gang bangers and career criminals being a small part.
We have the RCMP shootings in Myercough,the RCMP shootings in NB,we have the Danforth shootings,we have domestic assaults involving firearms ECOLE Polytechnic,Mosque shootings,Shooting on Parliament Hill.I could write all night on this.

There is no argument that you could further your list a bit however if you remove all acts that do not contain an assault rifle, your list is pretty short. Aside from the RCMP cases all others were pistols, hunting rifles etc. Delve further into it to find out which perpetrators legally owned those firearms..... the list becomes shorter than the bus I rode in on.

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February 7th, 2020, 08:37 PM
rick_iles

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilroy

That is a simplistic approach to a much more complicated problem with gang bangers and career criminals being a small part.
We have the RCMP shootings in Myercough,the RCMP shootings in NB,we have the Danforth shootings,we have domestic assaults involving firearms ECOLE Polytechnic,Mosque shootings,Shooting on Parliament Hill.I could write all night on this.

If you do write about this all night....please be a bit more accurate !
February 7th, 2020, 09:12 PM
canadaman30

Quote:

Originally Posted by rick_iles

That’s not entirely correct ! There are still some licences out there with prohib privileges.

Yes prohib only can own an assault rifle
February 7th, 2020, 09:27 PM
Fox

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilroy

That is a simplistic approach to a much more complicated problem with gang bangers and career criminals being a small part.
We have the RCMP shootings in Myercough,the RCMP shootings in NB,we have the Danforth shootings,we have domestic assaults involving firearms ECOLE Polytechnic,Mosque shootings,Shooting on Parliament Hill.I could write all night on this.

The parliament shooter used a lever action Win 94, FYI, but you could care less about the facts.
February 7th, 2020, 09:29 PM
fishfood

Quote:

Originally Posted by oaknut

There is no argument that you could further your list a bit however if you remove all acts that do not contain an assault rifle, your list is pretty short. Aside from the RCMP cases all others were pistols, hunting rifles etc. Delve further into it to find out which perpetrators legally owned those firearms..... the list becomes shorter than the bus I rode in on.

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Thanks I was going to point that out most of his talk had nothing to do with assault rifles. More hand guns and hunting rifles like you mentioned. .

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February 7th, 2020, 09:41 PM
fishfood

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilroy

Well all those other Canadians that are not career criminals and gang bangers who chose to carry and use firearms,mostly against themselves.I have said previously on this thread and others that I loose no sleep over these guys killing each other.

You loose no sleep over it is that because??

Remember for every gang member that is killed many are recruited. For every position that member had only goes to the next in line the cycle never ends. It's all fun and games until an innocent person is killed. And when you dont care about them shooting each other up you also dont care about the problem..

Know wonder they never found biggys or Tupac's killers. The cops could care less as it is just that 2 black bangers . Or were the cops in it aswell o well.

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February 7th, 2020, 10:12 PM
longpointer

Okee Dokee then … I guess the real question is ; Do you support DU's stance on being involved with the firearm issue or not ? It's a yes or no answer. No need for a diatribe.
I say Yes as per their published statement.
February 8th, 2020, 12:12 AM
jaycee

Quote:

Originally Posted by longpointer

Okee Dokee then … I guess the real question is ; Do you support DU's stance on being involved with the firearm issue or not ? It's a yes or no answer. No need for a diatribe.
I say Yes as per their published statement.

Another vote ---Yes!
February 8th, 2020, 12:22 AM
jaycee

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilroy

That is a simplistic approach to a much more complicated problem with gang bangers and career criminals being a small part.
We have the RCMP shootings in Myercough,the RCMP shootings in NB,we have the Danforth shootings,we have domestic assaults involving firearms ECOLE Polytechnic,Mosque shootings,Shooting on Parliament Hill.I could write all night on this.

Giroy! you are losing it , there is no such place as Myercough, but there is Mayerthorpe Alta. get things right will you , put mind in gear before putting mouth in motion!, most of the time no one knows what the ---- your talking about.
That's like you trying to tell me that you knew all about where Haliburton Twnsp. was , and you were wrong.
It's a wonder that you don't get lost in your own neighborhood, or do you use GPS to get you back to the house when you leave?
You must be off you meds. again.
February 8th, 2020, 07:59 AM
Badenoch

Quote:

Originally Posted by zoli 16ga.

Ironic how they stamp their name all over shotguns, sold to banquet auctions, to support their cause...but maybe I'm a bit late to this thread.

DU has never sold or auctioned a military-style assault rifle or a combat shotgun. There is a difference between hunting firearms and weapons configured for the specific purpose of killing people.
February 8th, 2020, 08:38 AM
FishHog

Quote:

Originally Posted by Badenoch

DU has never sold or auctioned a military-style assault rifle or a combat shotgun. There is a difference between hunting firearms and weapons configured for the specific purpose of killing people.

Yup. The difference is the liberals are going after assault rifles first then will come after your shotgun.

Don’t be so naive
February 8th, 2020, 09:24 AM
canadaman30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Badenoch

DU has never sold or auctioned a military-style assault rifle or a combat shotgun. There is a difference between hunting firearms and weapons configured for the specific purpose of killing people.

What is the difference, please explain?
February 8th, 2020, 09:43 AM
Snowwalker

Quote:

Originally Posted by Badenoch

DU has never sold or auctioned a military-style assault rifle or a combat shotgun. There is a difference between hunting firearms and weapons configured for the specific purpose of killing people.

The Remington 870, and Mossberg 500 is used by Military and Police Forces around the world.

Maybe you need to check your facts.

No firearm is configured specifically for killing "people".
February 8th, 2020, 10:38 AM
trimmer21

Firearms are merely designed to shoot. What they shoot depends on the mental make-up and intent of the person holding it.As for DUC,you can't suck and blow at the same time. I vote "NO".
February 8th, 2020, 11:06 AM
Badenoch

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snowwalker

The Remington 870, and Mossberg 500 is used by Military and Police Forces around the world.

Maybe you need to check your facts.

No firearm is configured specifically for killing "people".

The facts are the configurations of a Remington 870 and a Mossberg 500 are quite different for anti-personnel applications than for hunting: Shorter barrels, detachable magazines, breaching chokes, side saddles, extended magazines, picatinny rails, lights, lasers, night sights, folding stocks, pistol grip only stocks, bayonet lugs, speed safeties and other "tactical" accoutrement not commonly found among hunting firearms.
February 8th, 2020, 11:11 AM
canadaman30

Strange how a hunter and shooter and former DUC president was appointed a seat on the FAC. Hand picked to endorse liberal agenda imo. I vote no
February 8th, 2020, 12:02 PM
Gilroy

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaycee

Giroy! you are losing it , there is no such place as Myercough, but there is Mayerthorpe Alta. get things right will you , put mind in gear before putting mouth in motion!, most of the time no one knows what the ---- your talking about.
That's like you trying to tell me that you knew all about where Haliburton Twnsp. was , and you were wrong.
It's a wonder that you don't get lost in your own neighborhood, or do you use GPS to get you back to the house when you leave?
You must be off you meds. again.

Not to worried about your nitpicking about place names the message got across.

Surprisingly you have come out and supported my stance on this topic,thanks very much.
February 8th, 2020, 12:20 PM
FishHog

Quote:

Originally Posted by Badenoch

The facts are the configurations of a Remington 870 and a Mossberg 500 are quite different for anti-personnel applications than for hunting: Shorter barrels, detachable magazines, breaching chokes, side saddles, extended magazines, picatinny rails, lights, lasers, night sights, folding stocks, pistol grip only stocks, bayonet lugs, speed safeties and other "tactical" accoutrement not commonly found among hunting firearms.

So accessories most of which are commonly available and simple add ones make a gun scary?

Clearly you have fully bought into the liberal media brainwashing
February 8th, 2020, 12:31 PM
canadaman30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Badenoch

The facts are the configurations of a Remington 870 and a Mossberg 500 are quite different for anti-personnel applications than for hunting: Shorter barrels, detachable magazines, breaching chokes, side saddles, extended magazines, picatinny rails, lights, lasers, night sights, folding stocks, pistol grip only stocks, bayonet lugs, speed safeties and other "tactical" accoutrement not commonly found among hunting firearms.

Same firearms, so they will need to ban all 870's and 500's as they can become scary combat shotguns overnight, is that what your saying?
February 8th, 2020, 12:40 PM
Gilroy

fishfood You loose no sleep over it is that because??

REPLY. You live by the sword and you die by the sword,here are alternate career choices in Canada other than being a drug dealer.I can give some break to the first immigrants who faced discrimination on the job front and fell into the life of dealing.But today,s gang bangers and career criminals have made a conscious choice to pick up the gun.

Remember for every gang member that is killed many are recruited. For every position that member had only goes to the next in line the cycle never ends.

Reply. That is not a problem I loose sleep over.I have many black friends who are hard working and law abiding and they feel the same way.

It's all fun and games until an innocent person is killed .

REPLY. I have stated the same thing many times on this forum and its when we get a Jane Creba shooting OR a DANFORTH SHOOTING that the Canadian public gets galvanized and guess what a party runs on public sentiment .Prime Minister Harper running against the long gun registry to protect Duck Hunters and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau trying to protect all Canadians from gun violence.

And when you dont care about them shooting each other up you also dont care about the problem..

REPLY. I did not say that.

Know wonder they never found biggys or Tupac's killers. The cops could care less as it is just that 2 black bangers . Or were the cops in it
aswell o well.

REPLY. The cops in America do care but you cannot prosecute a criminal case without witnesses.There are thousands of unsolved homicides in America of black people the fact that these guys had a higher profile means nothing if you have no witnesses.Many of the big urban police services give it the 48 hours and if no case come together they have to move onto the next shooting.
February 8th, 2020, 01:12 PM
fishermccann

Quote:

Originally Posted by canadaman30

Same firearms, so they will need to ban all 870's and 500's as they can become scary combat shotguns overnight, is that what your saying?

No, not necessary, just charge those owners found to have altered the firearm to make it illegal.
February 8th, 2020, 01:20 PM
canadaman30

Gilroy if gangsters killing each other is not a problem why is it continuously being picked up by the media and being shown on the news? How many people have been killed just in Toronto from illegal guns since the danforth shooting, to say all those deaths are not a problem worth loosing sleep over speaks volumes about your character
February 8th, 2020, 01:27 PM
canadaman30

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishermccann

No, not necessary, just charge those owners found to have altered the firearm to make it illegal.

So if I put a picatinny base and a shorter than 28inch barrel it becomes a combat shotgun? Get off the sauce man...
February 8th, 2020, 01:53 PM
Gilroy

Quote:

Originally Posted by canadaman30

Gilroy if gangsters killing each other is not a problem why is it continuously being picked up by the media and being shown on the news? How many people have been killed just in Toronto from illegal guns since the danforth shooting, to say all those deaths are not a problem worth loosing sleep over speaks volumes about your character

Sure its a problem but not for me to loose sleep about.I policed in Regent Park for 15 years,I personally know scores of now dead gang bangers and violent criminals.I do not think most people in Canada care if career criminals kill each other over drug turf.But they do care if one of their own gets killed like law abiding citizen like Jane Creba. I guess you need to ask the media why they cover each and every shooting because I think the average Canadian just shrug their shoulders.In the meantime Minister Blair continues to attack the problem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frnIiRn1BpI
February 8th, 2020, 01:54 PM
ninepointer

This is what DU's stance on gun issues has always been. I fail to see how this public shaming of DU advances our interests. The anti-gun crowd is laughing at us for the divisions being sewn. No, I'm not a DU member.
February 8th, 2020, 02:17 PM
Gilroy

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninepointer

This is what DU's stance on gun issues has always been. I fail to see how this public shaming of DU advances our interests. The anti-gun crowd is laughing at us for the divisions being sewn. No, I'm not a DU member.

I don,t think the anti-gun crowd have sewn any divisions.This thread like many other posted by MikePal simply backfired on him as he comes on this forum and tries to sew division.I think he believes we are going to fall for the old Bush trick "your either with us or against us".
Gun owners and hunters are a little to sophisticated to be roped in by this.
I wish I had a dollar for every time Stephen Harper stated he was standing up for the rights of duck hunters.Maybe he believed he had them brain washed and they would follow like sheep.Some folks on this forum should take note...
February 8th, 2020, 02:21 PM
canadaman30

Gilroy the gangster gun problem is the only gun problem in this country. Bill Blair continues to attack lawful gun owners
February 8th, 2020, 02:22 PM
MikePal

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninepointer

I fail to see how this public shaming of DU advances our interests. The anti-gun crowd is laughing at us for the divisions being sewn.

Understanding of course you mean public, as in public hunting forums and hunting related social media sites. (The general public..ie main stream media, have no interest in this story).

As such, it is important for hunters to see where loyalties lies when push comes to shove. This OIC by the Liberals, could (because we haven't seen the full order) impact far deeper that some are suggesting. In order to submit a petition to Government to force the debate, will require unanimous support by ALL hunters and Hunting associations. We're are a small voting block, so we need to be united to be heard.

To avoid taking a stance becasue it MAY affect your charitable TAX status shows little backbone.
February 8th, 2020, 02:24 PM
canadaman30

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninepointer

This is what DU's stance on gun issues has always been. I fail to see how this public shaming of DU advances our interests. The anti-gun crowd is laughing at us for the divisions being sewn. No, I'm not a DU member.

Why would DUC seek support from hunters if they don't want to support hunters themselves? It's a two way street
February 8th, 2020, 02:25 PM
GW11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilroy

I don,t think the anti-gun crowd have sewn any divisions.This thread like many other posted by MikePal simply backfired on him as he comes on this forum and tries to sew division.I think he believes we are going to fall for the old Bush trick "your either with us or against us".
Gun owners and hunters are a little to sophisticated to be roped in by this.
I wish I had a dollar for every time Stephen Harper stated he was standing up for the rights of duck hunters.Maybe he believed he had them brain washed and they would follow like sheep.Some folks on this forum should take note...

I hope everyone can find the humour and hypocrisy in you accusing other members on here of sewing division.

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February 8th, 2020, 02:54 PM
Gilroy

Quote:

Originally Posted by canadaman30

Gilroy the gangster gun problem is the only gun problem in this country. Bill Blair continues to attack lawful gun owners

The electorate in the last general election voted for further gun control. The gun lobby before the election believed they could defeat the Liberals using their supporters and doubled down "see you at election time".

Well they saw us at election time and we have the result. The gun lobby failed because 75% on Canadians want a ban on assault type rifles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbA6VjLTucc
February 8th, 2020, 03:02 PM
jaycee

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilroy

Not to worried about your nitpicking about place names the message got across.

Surprisingly you have come out and supported my stance on this topic,thanks very much.

You ARE delusional!:D
February 8th, 2020, 03:12 PM
Snowwalker

Quote:

Originally Posted by Badenoch

The facts are the configurations of a Remington 870 and a Mossberg 500 are quite different for anti-personnel applications than for hunting: Shorter barrels, detachable magazines, breaching chokes, side saddles, extended magazines, picatinny rails, lights, lasers, night sights, folding stocks, pistol grip only stocks, bayonet lugs, speed safeties and other "tactical" accoutrement not commonly found among hunting firearms.

I guess you've not seen my 870..
Pistol grip, telescoping stock, ammo holders on stock, some other toys...

Still the same firearm, only things different is some of the "Furniture ".
Name one item that I can not have on my 870.

A cop car is still a car. A police 870 is still an 870.
February 8th, 2020, 03:14 PM
ninepointer

DU's response is posted here: https://www.ducks.ca/ducks-unlimited...0our%20website

Take the time to read it.

Now let's stop expecting every organization to be all things to everybody.
February 8th, 2020, 03:16 PM
Snowwalker

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishermccann

No, not necessary, just charge those owners found to have altered the firearm to make it illegal.

What makes it illegal?
February 8th, 2020, 03:18 PM
fishfood

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilroy

I do not think most people in Canada care if career criminals kill each other over drug turf.But they do care if one of their own gets killed like law abiding citizen like Jane Creba.

But a shooting is a shooting does not matter who you are, it affects many around them. . Does not matter if your a banger a cop or an innocent bystander in the end it's just another shooting. They are all the same they are humans.

I guess it just depends who you are if matters or not. We see how it is only certain lives matter. Piss on the poverty.[emoji107]

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February 8th, 2020, 03:19 PM
fishermccann

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snowwalker

What makes it illegal?

Alterations......
February 8th, 2020, 03:21 PM
Gilroy

If you pick up a gun and use it in your trade as a drug dealer that is your own problem if another guy cap,s you.Poverty is not an excuse to engage in a criminal lifestyle.
February 8th, 2020, 03:22 PM
jaycee

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninepointer

DU's response is posted here: https://www.ducks.ca/ducks-unlimited...0our%20website

Take the time to read it.

Now let's stop expecting every organization to be all things to everybody.

Also take the time to fully understand "what they are saying"
February 8th, 2020, 03:23 PM
Gilroy

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaycee

You ARE delusional!:D

Back to the old name calling, I think its against the forum rules,you should read them.
February 8th, 2020, 03:51 PM
delmer

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninepointer

DU's response is posted here: https://www.ducks.ca/ducks-unlimited...0our%20website

Take the time to read it.

Now let's stop expecting every organization to be all things to everybody.

Hey, some common sense has just been injected into the original topic.
February 8th, 2020, 03:53 PM
oaknut

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishermccann

Alterations......

Ahahahaha! That's a good one!

Adding a scope is an alteration, adding fiber optic sights is an alteration, glass bedding, trigger kits, turkey chokes, bipods, slings...... cap'n I think your ship is sunk.

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February 8th, 2020, 03:59 PM
Badenoch

Quote:

Originally Posted by FishHog

So accessories most of which are commonly available and simple add ones make a gun scary?

Clearly you have fully bought into the liberal media brainwashing

No, the accessories make them more effective for killing people not more effective for hunting. Some tacticool accessories make a shotgun less effective in the field.

Clearly you have fully bought into the hysteria being circulated by imbeciles.
February 8th, 2020, 04:03 PM
canadaman30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilroy

The electorate in the last general election voted for further gun control. The gun lobby before the election believed they could defeat the Liberals using their supporters and doubled down "see you at election time".

Well they saw us at election time and we have the result. The gun lobby failed because 75% on Canadians want a ban on assault type rifles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbA6VjLTucc

75% of Canadians are uneducated about firearms, therefore are brainwashed by liberal bias media reporting. Yur buddy Billy blairs town hall meetings about possible gun bans was a complete and total failure with a major majority of negative feedback.
February 8th, 2020, 04:09 PM
FishHog

Quote:

Originally Posted by Badenoch

No, the accessories make them more effective for killing people not more effective for hunting. Some tacticool accessories make a shotgun less effective in the field.

Clearly you have fully bought into the hysteria being circulated by imbeciles.

You truly don’t have a clue about what you pretend to be talking about.
Since I know what happens when I argue with the uneducated I will simply stop
February 8th, 2020, 04:09 PM
trimmer21

This thread has gone completely sideways. Honestly,I think it's time we all head for the bush,everyone's got cabin fever.
February 8th, 2020, 04:10 PM
canadaman30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Badenoch

No, the accessories make them more effective for killing people not more effective for hunting. Some tacticool accessories make a shotgun less effective in the field.

Clearly you have fully bought into the hysteria being circulated by imbeciles.

So when I put a shorter barrel than 28"s with rifle sights it becomes a combat shotgun? I guess any shotgun sold with two barrels should be banned. How does a folding stock or picatinny rail or different barrels make them more effective at killing people while using the same ammo? Only an idiot would believe that...
February 8th, 2020, 04:16 PM
Gilroy

Quote:

Originally Posted by canadaman30

75% of Canadians are uneducated about firearms, therefore are brainwashed by liberal bias media reporting. Yur buddy Billy blairs town hall meetings about possible gun bans was a complete and total failure with a major majority of negative feedback.

Town halls are a means to reach out and hear the voices of Canadians.Once you have heard from all interested parties,you run an election and even if you might lose that election you stick to your guns and see the results. I think that was what was done.
The media is free to report across this country and there are many outlets for the media to support one viewpoint or another. The Toronto SUN with a wide readership generally takes the opposite view of the Toronto STAR.Not unlike Fox News and CNN.
February 8th, 2020, 04:19 PM
Gilroy

Quote:

Originally Posted by trimmer21

This thread has gone completely sideways. Honestly,I think it's time we all head for the bush,everyone's got cabin fever.

Oh that New Years resolution........
February 8th, 2020, 04:21 PM
trimmer21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilroy

Oh that New Years resolution........

Staying out of the partisan politics is working so far. It's surprising how it changes one's disposition. I quit watching CNN. I'm sick of that crap,too. :moose:
February 8th, 2020, 04:21 PM
Snowwalker

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishermccann

Alterations......

So since I bought a 870 super mag with a 28" barrel, a trigger pull of 13 to 15 pounds, and now I lowered the trigger pull to 6 pounds, added an adjustable rear stock, and replaced the stamped metal shell extractor with a machined one my 870 is now illegal.
February 8th, 2020, 04:23 PM
MikePal

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninepointer

DU's response is posted here: https://www.ducks.ca/ducks-unlimited...0our%20website

Take the time to read it.

Now let's stop expecting every organization to be all things to everybody.

I might suggest that maybe you should have read it way back when it was 1st linked...see post #66....

It clarifies their postion and clearly states they are not going to support the petition and it is for the sake of money.

"In addition, Canada Revenue Agency guidelines stipulate that DUC can only engage in political activities that further our charitable purpose of wetland conservation". .
February 8th, 2020, 04:30 PM
Snowwalker

Quote:

Originally Posted by Badenoch

No, the accessories make them more effective for killing people not more effective for hunting. Some tacticool accessories make a shotgun less effective in the field.

Clearly you have fully bought into the hysteria being circulated by imbeciles.

My after market trigger makes my swing on a bird or running game smoother. The aftermarket shell extractor eliminates stovepipe hulls for a cleaner ejection of empty hulls. Cleaning and polishing the chamber makes hull extractions smooth and eliminates stuck hull. The adjustable rear stock allows both my wife and I to use the same shotgun.

I would say the accessories and mods have made it MUCH more effective for hunting.
February 8th, 2020, 04:38 PM
TroutSlayer

Many complaints received. Thread closed and moved to "Off Topics" where the general public can't read.

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