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Thread: Blame Yourself! Opportunity is knocking. Hunters beat the Anti's!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilroy View Post
    You dont do logic very well either,we are on a thread about re instating the Spring Bear Hunt which is presently illegal and you are getting all excited about my suggestion to sort out the gallbladder issue which is also illegal.Do you have a stance on the OP.Is it also a half baked idea,nobody is going to convince the
    The only person on this thread that confused the issue was you Gilroy...YOU introduced the off wall idea "We should sell the Gall Bladders " in your letter...I just pointed out it was a ridiculous to suggest it to a public that still doesn't even support the Spring Bear Hunt let alone selling off the body parts....that's when you decided to sink to personal slights to strengthen your argument and in doing so lost your credibility to debate the issue.
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    In YOUR opinion its an off the wall idea,in YOUR opinion its a half baked idea,but your one person and you know what they say about opinions.

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    I believe that injecting the gall issue into the mix, will only serve to reinforce the Anti's resolve in fighting the reinstatement of a spring hunt. Not a wise move....period !

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    It may happen in the short term,but,I think it's an election ploy to try and take northern ridings away from the NDP. After all,when you think about,how can the Libs loose with the NDP being rock-solidly pro gun control and the PC's still sticking to being in the spring bear hunt cancellation camp. I could be wrong,but,if the Liberals win the next election,they could make it disappear as quickly as it appeared by simply claiming that the "pilot project has run it's course and it didn't work out."
    Socialism has an entrance and an exit. Vote your way in and shoot your way out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trimmer21 View Post
    It may happen in the short term,but,I think it's an election ploy to try and take northern ridings away from the NDP. After all,when you think about,how can the Libs loose with the NDP being rock-solidly pro gun control and the PC's still sticking to being in the spring bear hunt cancellation camp. I could be wrong,but,if the Liberals win the next election,they could make it disappear as quickly as it appeared by simply claiming that the "pilot project has run it's course and it didn't work out."
    Could be but if its an election ploy to get them in and they pull the wool over or eyes and say the pilot project didnt work out,they simply set themselves up for a kick in the a..,come the next election.

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    Bear gall bladers harvested legally and then sold by the government simply influences the value of a bear gall bladers. Can't be a good thing for the bears. I think the Asians that claim medicinal value from these bladers should get their medicine elsewhere.

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    The OFAH stance:

    The Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters says anti-hunting lobbyists could still scuttle the plan for the first spring bear hunt in Ontario in 15 years.

    In a surprise announcement last fall, Minister of Natural Resources David Orazietti announced the return of a "limited" spring bear hunt in May.
    The cancellation of the hunt back in 1999 created a political problem every Ontario government since has had to deal with.
    The upcoming hunt is a pilot project and will be limited to selected areas of the north.
    But the province's largest outdoor lobby group is telling bear hunters to avoid complacency.
    Terry Quinney of the Federation of Anglers and Hunters says public support of the hunt is vital.
    "To ensure that, for example, those animal rights extremists who successfully lobbied a premier 15 years ago, don't do the same this time," he said.
    http://ca.news.yahoo.com/bear-hunter...W4tQ0E-;_ylv=3
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    I fully support this pilot project and a spring bear hunt is long over due in
    Ontario.
    This hunt should have included all of Ontario and the full spring bear hunt
    reinstated as too pre 1999 regulations.

    In most of northern Ontario, the people who live there have seen a dramatic
    increase in human bear conflict since 1999 and in using the population model
    that the MNR uses, I can prove that bear densities are 3-4 times higher in the
    Markstay Warren as well as the Onaping Falls regions.
    In Ontario we manage ALL big game by a WMU basis except for Black Bear which is
    a discredit to the animal and a false population estimate for population in
    Northern Ontario. We say we have 1 bear per 10 square Kilometers which fits the
    model but in using all of Ontario's vast size we include a large area (south of
    the French River) where bear numbers are much lower then most areas in the
    North. In the south these numbers might be closer to the model but far off the
    densities seen in the north.

    Bears that I have seen in the bush as well as on trail cameras (10 Baited areas
    in both regions ) have shown and increase in social problems where more battle
    scars on bears from fighting between bears has jumped in the past 10 years
    dramatically.

    As well as the social behavior between bears seeing change, More Calf Moose
    carcases are being found by outdoorspeople then witnessed prior to 1999. In
    Newfoundland there is a study too see if bears are changing there habits from
    opportunistic hunters too now laying in wait for moose. This change in bear
    behavior is based on over population as the habitat is falling shot in
    supporting a growing black bear population.

    Since 1999 Northern Ontario, ALL of Northern Ontario has seen large human bear
    conflicts and because of the lack of support felt by many of these communities,
    residents took to just shooting these bears because people at the MNR were
    directing residents to do so.

    "Many people in these smaller communities just stopped calling in nuisance
    bears and too just shooting them and this should be looked at in this project."


    All communities should have been given the respect and asked if bears are an
    issue and if a hunt needs to take place.
    If this is the case, which it is, This only would prove the full reinstatement
    of the spring Black Bear season in Ontario should begin as well as the
    environment issues, habitat, and social bear issues.

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