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    Quote Originally Posted by greatwhite View Post
    You could have a bank vault and if someone got in you would be charged exactly the same and this has happaned. A fellow in Toronto had an actual bank vault. Thieves spent 2 days to break in and he was still charged with unsafe storage.
    Not so.

    The one case where this happened is not as simple as you make it seem. You neglect to mention that the vault was in an apartment rented for the purpose of keeping guns and therefore unattended. That's not a conventional storage arrangement, so a question arises: what is the standard of care? Ought there to be an alarm system, for example?

    The Crown took the view that the storage arrangement did not meet the standard of care.

    Not a concern in "normal" situations. Many people have break-ins, lose guns, and are not charged. I've met & talked to some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rick_iles View Post
    That makes no sense at all !!
    As do many of his posts!

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    Quote Originally Posted by trimmer21 View Post
    ".....without fear,favor or malice aforethought" went out the window with quota hiring and dumbed down qualifications to suit the multicultural agenda. Canada is in a lot worse shape,now, than has ever been in history.
    Oh Boy talk about opening a can of worms with this statement.The Orangemen and Freemasons swore the same oath when they joined and had NO INTENTION of honouring that oath and that my friend was long time back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 73hunter View Post
    Some of the comments about being charged with unsafe storage need a little more ‘splainin for this guy. Why would someone who stores their gun in a locked safe sold for that purpose be charged ?
    Assuming of course that the LEO’s didn’t have any prior issue with the guy,
    Well the place he stored the guns a crime ridden public housing area was not a wise choice of place to store such a cache of firearms along with him being an expert witness for the defence tipped the scales against him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by canadaman30 View Post
    Sounds like you have all the answers

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    Quote Originally Posted by welsh View Post
    Not so.

    The one case where this happened is not as simple as you make it seem. You neglect to mention that the vault was in an apartment rented for the purpose of keeping guns and therefore unattended. That's not a conventional storage arrangement, so a question arises: what is the standard of care? Ought there to be an alarm system, for example?

    The Crown took the view that the storage arrangement did not meet the standard of care.

    Not a concern in "normal" situations. Many people have break-ins, lose guns, and are not charged. I've met & talked to some.

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    The alarm system really is of no help at all, we saw many,many, break and enter and thefts where bad guys drove a stolen car through the windows of a gun shop,scooped up a bunch of firearms and were well on their way before the police arrived.Average response time when I was on the job downtown Toronto was 7 minutes.

    The entire SAFE STORAGE concept in the firearms Act was to prevent suicides,having ammo and guns separate would make a person think before killing themselves.I am not saying this myself it was RIGHT in the firearms act video which I showed to the troops.Safe storage has not been defined by the courts as far as I know and its very open ended and subject to the discretion of LEO,s.

    I am not to sure how you came to the conclusion the apartment was simply rented to store guns in.Does not make sense as the accused,s had plenty of places to store his guns,he was a firearms instructor and also had full access to the Lakeshore firearms range.I can tell you this for sure as he instructed me on my Glock at that very location.I think the fact that the CROWN dropped this
    whole mess tells us a lot.

    If a thief is determined enough they will break in anywhere, why the hell are we picking on the victim of the Break Enter and Theft.

    What level are we going to set the bar at for Standard of Care.

    I think a reasonable person would think a full metal extremely heavy safe which took the bad guys TWO DAYS using cutting torches to break open meets and probably exceeds the standard.

    Also the fact that the CPFO was out to get this guy should have been enough to get this tossed out of court.
    Last edited by Gilroy; January 15th, 2019 at 06:01 PM.

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    Just as secure as the vault where I have seen our local cops store their guns in fact it was probably more secure.
    Also the charges were eventually dropped.


    And as you know so well the Liberals made the rules as obscure as possible specifically for that reason.


    Quote Originally Posted by welsh View Post
    Not so.

    The one case where this happened is not as simple as you make it seem. You neglect to mention that the vault was in an apartment rented for the purpose of keeping guns and therefore unattended. That's not a conventional storage arrangement, so a question arises: what is the standard of care? Ought there to be an alarm system, for example?

    The Crown took the view that the storage arrangement did not meet the standard of care.

    Not a concern in "normal" situations. Many people have break-ins, lose guns, and are not charged. I've met & talked to some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilroy View Post
    How did you get my photograph?
    Google lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by canadaman30 View Post
    Google lol
    Actually I kind of look like him,well maybe without my tinfoil hat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greatwhite View Post
    Just as secure as the vault where I have seen our local cops store their guns in fact it was probably more secure.
    Also the charges were eventually dropped.


    And as you know so well the Liberals made the rules as obscure as possible specifically for that reason.
    OMG my first post this year agreeing with you again,heck you might end up turning me to the DARK SIDE.LOL

    I dug this up while looking on the net for Mike Hardgreaves.

    https://nationalpost.com/opinion/lor...eed-clarifying

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