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December 7th, 2016, 07:08 PM
#41
so you dont shoot at moving ducks or geese either? i mean if you dont get that perfect kill shot you shouldnt take it right? cause wounding a deer and wounding a duck...whats the difference right there both living animals? Wounding animals is very unfortunate and nobody would feel good doing so, but that doesnt stop you from hunting...pushes are the most effective way to hunt deer so I dont see anyone changing their mentality about it anytime soon. When you shot at running rabbits did you ever miss or miss and not know you wounded one...who knows right.
Hunt hard boys and girls the days are peeling off the calendar fast!
Last edited by Deer Wrastler; December 7th, 2016 at 07:10 PM.
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December 7th, 2016 07:08 PM
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December 8th, 2016, 12:58 AM
#42
Has too much time on their hands
Originally Posted by
Gun Nut
Shooting a running deer, that translates into spray and pray. And when you are shooting at a running deer are you constantly checking the background with each shot you make? This goes beyond making an ethical kill shot, this takes you into hunter safety concerns, and on public land where you have no ideas of where other hunters are it can be extremely dangerous and could prove to be down right fatal, and I don't mean to the deer. Just for the record gut shots are not solid hits, lung and heart are, neck and brain shot can be, but are not recommended. Even shooting at the heart and lungs might not produce a solid hit if the bullet is too light and breaks up before actually penetrating the chest cavity. This can also happen to a bigger bullet that pass through branches before they hits. Again, I'm not likely to change your mind as to how you hunt, you may be very good at hitting deer on the run. In my youth I use to take cottontails on the dead run with my old bolt action .22, but I always knew there was some solid ground behind the rabbit to receive the bullet.
You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut
It doesn't translate to spray and pray, that's a very broad assumption to make. Lots of guys are very good at shooting running deer. If you passed up shots on running deer in big woods camps where hounds are used you wouldn't likely be invited back. As for the backstop, the "blockers" are generally set up on known deer runways where they are already positioned to shoot safely in the direction that the deer will be expected to come through. It's done like this all over Ontario every season with no more issue than any other form of hunting so I'm not sure of your point about it being fatally dangerous. Smaller woodlots are pushed by hunters in Southern Ontario and the big woods are dogged by hounds in Central and the near North.
The first week of gun season last year was very warm here and the deer weren't moving. I ended up resorting to pushing through a swamp in chest waders and barking like a dog to get things moving. My brother ended up making a great shot on a nice 8 pointer that came out of the swamp and ran his way through an alfalfa field. He shot it on the run at 70 yards and it dropped 2 jumps later. He knew where I was (by the barking) and he also knew where our other guys were set up. Nothing unsafe about it whatsoever. A bit of pre-planning, and communication is all that it takes to do it safely.
Obviously I prefer shots at standing broadside deer. I will first try to stop a running deer with a "baaa" sound or any sound for that matter, but that doesn't always work. As a last resort I will pick a spot (with a backstop) just ahead of the deer in the direction that it is heading and shoot when he steps into the sight picture. Not much different than you shooting running rabbits with your .22.
"where a man feels at home, outside of where he's born, is where he's meant to go"
- Ernest Hemingway
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December 8th, 2016, 01:07 AM
#43
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December 8th, 2016, 02:18 AM
#44
Has too much time on their hands
Originally Posted by
Noseyarentcha
Oh GW you just made me laugh..."I ended up resorting to pushing through a swamp in chest waders and barking like a dog to get things moving."
....I'm gonna send my best gf barking like a dog in the bush and I'm going to film it for her kids
Yeah it sounds funny and you feel a little goofy doing it, but it worked! This was on a 100 acre farm that has a really wet 20 acre swamp in the middle. We were a group of 5 and we needed to block 4 exits so I went through on my own in a zig-zag pattern. As soon as I started the first "zag" I heard my brother shoot. It's a great feeling when a plan works the way it's supposed to.
"where a man feels at home, outside of where he's born, is where he's meant to go"
- Ernest Hemingway
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December 8th, 2016, 06:36 AM
#45
Originally Posted by
Noseyarentcha
Oh GW you just made me laugh..."I ended up resorting to pushing through a swamp in chest waders and barking like a dog to get things moving."
....I'm gonna send my best gf barking like a dog in the bush and I'm going to film it for her kids
The guys barking like dogs used to be pretty common up in 55b. A lot less of it now. I'm not sure how effective it is. If you're close enough to the deer to move it, the deer will know you're there either way.
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December 8th, 2016, 08:08 AM
#46
Has too much time on their hands
Originally Posted by
werner.reiche
The guys barking like dogs used to be pretty common up in 55b. A lot less of it now. I'm not sure how effective it is. If you're close enough to the deer to move it, the deer will know you're there either way.
I'm not sure how effective barking is either, but at the very least it lets the shooters know where the "dog" is.
"where a man feels at home, outside of where he's born, is where he's meant to go"
- Ernest Hemingway
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December 8th, 2016, 10:45 AM
#47
We bark in the 2 groups I hunt in, one in 86A and one in 47. Used more to keep the pushers in line and to let the watches know where we are. I dont imagine were tricking the deer much, lol.
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December 8th, 2016, 10:52 AM
#48
Back when my generation started hunting (big bush crown land), we'd bark so that the old timers could tell if we were getting off track (aka lost) and someone could go round us up.
Now I just throw a spare tracking collar in driver's backpack so I can keep tabs on him.
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December 8th, 2016, 11:33 AM
#49
When your hunting in thick woods by yourself it is impossible to know if there is anyone in your line of fire - a hundred or two hundred yards away - if you don't hit the deer and stop the bullet it will in all likely hood hit a tree down range - hopefully -
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December 8th, 2016, 06:29 PM
#50
Originally Posted by
GW11
It doesn't translate to spray and pray, that's a very broad assumption to make. Lots of guys are very good at shooting running deer. If you passed up shots on running deer in big woods camps where hounds are used you wouldn't likely be invited back. As for the backstop, the "blockers" are generally set up on known deer runways where they are already positioned to shoot safely in the direction that the deer will be expected to come through. It's done like this all over Ontario every season with no more issue than any other form of hunting so I'm not sure of your point about it being fatally dangerous. Smaller woodlots are pushed by hunters in Southern Ontario and the big woods are dogged by hounds in Central and the near North.
The first week of gun season last year was very warm here and the deer weren't moving. I ended up resorting to pushing through a swamp in chest waders and barking like a dog to get things moving. My brother ended up making a great shot on a nice 8 pointer that came out of the swamp and ran his way through an alfalfa field. He shot it on the run at 70 yards and it dropped 2 jumps later. He knew where I was (by the barking) and he also knew where our other guys were set up. Nothing unsafe about it whatsoever. A bit of pre-planning, and communication is all that it takes to do it safely.
Obviously I prefer shots at standing broadside deer. I will first try to stop a running deer with a "baaa" sound or any sound for that matter, but that doesn't always work. As a last resort I will pick a spot (with a backstop) just ahead of the deer in the direction that it is heading and shoot when he steps into the sight picture. Not much different than you shooting running rabbits with your .22.
This threat started out as a question on public land, if you are on exclusive acreage the situation is known and the variable can be taken into account. I'm thinking of a situation where this is not the case, back in 2006 a 67 year-old hiker, who never made her daily trek in the Simcoe County Public Forest during hunting season because she was wary of hunters shooting at deer. She was unaware hunting season had begun. She was fatally shot by a hunter. Dressed in a red turtleneck it was initially thought she was mistaken for a deer. Later at the trial it came out, she hit by a stray shot by a hunter shooting at a deer. The thing about shooting rabbits is they are very low to the ground, so a bullet is almost immediately grounded, that can't be said of deer, and particular if the deer is in full bound.
You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut
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