Where's the moose you say??

[trimmer21]

I don't think there is any coincidence that manitoba numbers are dismal, minnesota is shut down and now ontario is depleting. Maybe there could be some communication and comparison. I'm sure there is a common denominator there. No offence to law abiding natives but I am siding with the idea that too many moose are being taken by non licensed hunters. It would be ideal if all groups could come together for the better of the species. Amazing that in this day in age we still can't communicate and make a clear and just decision for the greater good.

Oh,yeah...........if only.....

[Gilroy]

Oh,yeah...........if only.....

Perfect time for organizations such as the OFAH to reach out to the FN,s leadership and git her done.IMHO

Round table discussion with MNR,Biologists, Minister,.........who ever.....

[Noseyarentcha]

Perfect time for organizations such as the OFAH to reach out to the FN,s leadership and git her done.IMHO

Round table discussion with MNR,Biologists, Minister,.........who ever.....

That sounds like a good plan Gilroy.
Has anyone ever reached out to our FN people like this before?
We need each other right now and we need to work TOGETHER.
I would like to see all of us hunters unite for the good of the animals that we hunt.
Even if that means that I step out of hunting to give the population a chance to increase, if that is what is called for.
We can say, "If the FN don't back off then neither are we."
FN people can say, "It's our right and we shouldn't have to change."
...or we can work together, everybody takes less and gives more to the other side...for the good of the herds.
It certainly would be nice if every one of us came together on this issue.
No finger pointing, no blame...it is what it is....if we were faultless, we wouldn't be where we are today.
ALL of us humans play a part in this.
What can we do that is better, different and more?
I wish more native people on this forum would talk with us.
After reading some posts, if I were native, I would be reluctant to chime in cuz it seems like a great many people start beating them up.
Wouldn't it be better if we started trying to understand, to see things through each others eyes, to have open minds...on both sides?
There's a lot of history that seems to either have been filtered out, forgotten or lost.
Out native people are a great part of Canadian Heritage...too bad it's no longer even being talked about very much
I asked 3, "kids" aged 21 and 22 yesterday what they know about our native people.
Answer was, "They live on the res and don't pay tax."
Wow!
....time for a redo of what our kids are being taught in history.

[biggamer]

The OFAH can't even get on board with mandatory reporting. They are also the ones that are pushing for more and more access to crown lands that were never accessible before. When logging etc happens they need to make the roads impassable when finished and allow nature to reclaim itself. Our forefathers could cover a couple of kilometres years back, on foot, now a fella can cover 200kms in a day on a four wheeler or side by side. Atvs along with the the other big issues are are huge reason the moose are having issues. I've hunted many places outside of Ontario and you don't dare take an atv or vehicle off of a maintained road. That's what makes these areas great! The term "tread lightly" isn't in the vocabulary of our provincial hunters and game managers. It's lovely to walk in woods without seeing huge ruts and torn up swamps/landscape. Until u experience it you don't know what we are missing here!

A big change of attitude needs to occur or we are doomed to fail...

[jaycee]

That sounds like a good plan Gilroy.
Has anyone ever reached out to our FN people like this before?
We need each other right now and we need to work TOGETHER.
I would like to see all of us hunters unite for the good of the animals that we hunt.
Even if that means that I step out of hunting to give the population a chance to increase, if that is what is called for.
We can say, "If the FN don't back off then neither are we."
FN people can say, "It's our right and we shouldn't have to change."
...or we can work together, everybody takes less and gives more to the other side...for the good of the herds.
It certainly would be nice if every one of us came together on this issue.
No finger pointing, no blame...it is what it is....if we were faultless, we wouldn't be where we are today.
What can we do that is better, different and more?

This is not a new issue by any means, talks about this have been going on for many years with absolutely no solution and this is why we are at the point of having our big game animals at a very drastic low point.

[Noseyarentcha]

Can anyone tell me how the native hunting works?
How many animals can they harvest?
Can the natives hunt year round, don't have seasons like non natives?
I'm trying to understand what is going on.
Being new to this, I am trying to be open minded.
I need to draw my own conclussions based on facts.
We don't have ANY numbers on how many animals the natives harvest?
Do they have those numbers?
I know the natives, "police" themselves...do they have their own people who are "Conservation Officers" or what?
They must have some sort of a plan in place.
We all know that there is a problem.
Why are we waiting for leaders and MNR, OHAF or whoever else to solve the problem for us if we already know that by the time that happens, it will be too late.
Somebody on this forum said that the higher ups do not even hunt...so why are we waiting for paper pushers to solve a problem that WE are creating?
Why don't we TRY to solve it amongst ourselves?
Start a movement.
Extend a hand.
Something like a buddy system between us and the natives.
If I "stand down" is there a native who would take my hand and take that first step with me, together?
Say I can harvest 1 deer/ moose and my native buddy can harvest 5 deer/moose(whatever that number is, I have no idea, just using 5 as an example).
I agree not to harvest 1 buck/bull/cow/ doe whatever and he agrees not to harvest 1 buck/doe/cow/bull whatever.
Together, we just saved 2 animals to help the population.
We could build trust and open up lines of communication that are closed.
Yes....I would still buy my tag...and no I would not cheat and use it and I would not assume my buddy would cheat either. I would consider my tag money as money spent to help population increase.
Would any other hunters who are concerned about population decline be willing to do the same?
I betcha any money...your native hunting buddy would share some of his meat with you.
Any takers?
Imagine if 100 hunters did this?
....gotta start somewhere....imagine if we did it right here..on OOD!

[Dythbringer]

Can anyone tell me how the native hunting works?
How many animals can they harvest?
Can the natives hunt year round, don't have seasons like non natives?
I'm trying to understand what is going on.
Being new to this, I am trying to be open minded.
I need to draw my own conclussions based on facts.
We don't have ANY numbers on how many animals the natives harvest?
Do they have those numbers?
I know the natives, "police" themselves...do they have their own people who are "Conservation Officers" or what?
They must have some sort of a plan in place.
We all know that there is a problem.
Why are we waiting for leaders and MNR, OHAF or whoever else to solve the problem for us if we already know that by the time that happens, it will be too late.
Somebody on this forum said that the higher ups do not even hunt...so why are we waiting for paper pushers to solve a problem that WE are creating?
Why don't we TRY to solve it amongst ourselves?
Start a movement.
Extend a hand.
Something like a buddy system between us and the natives.
If I "stand down" is there a native who would take my hand and take that first step with me, together?
Say I can harvest 1 deer/ moose and my native buddy can harvest 5 deer/moose(whatever that number is, I have no idea, just using 5 as an example).
I agree not to harvest 1 buck/bull/cow/ doe whatever and he agrees not to harvest 1 buck/doe/cow/bull whatever.
Together, we just saved 2 animals to help the population.
We could build trust and open up lines of communication that are closed.
Yes....I would still buy my tag...and no I would not cheat and use it and I would not assume my buddy would cheat either. I would consider my tag money as money spent to help population increase.
Would any other hunters who are concerned about population decline be willing to do the same?
I betcha any money...your native hunting buddy would share some of his meat with you.
Any takers?
Imagine if 100 hunters did this?
....gotta start somewhere....imagine if we did it right here..on OOD!

So all you are saying is give peace a chance?

[Noseyarentcha]

So all you are saying is give peace a chance?

Hi Dyth
Yes...long winded old womans version

[jaycee]

Can anyone tell me how the native hunting works?
How many animals can they harvest?
Can the natives hunt year round, don't have seasons like non natives?
I'm trying to understand what is going on.
Being new to this, I am trying to be open minded.
I need to draw my own conclussions based on facts.
We don't have ANY numbers on how many animals the natives harvest?
Do they have those numbers?
I know the natives, "police" themselves...do they have their own people who are "Conservation Officers" or what?
They must have some sort of a plan in place.
We all know that there is a problem.
Why are we waiting for leaders and MNR, OHAF or whoever else to solve the problem for us if we already know that by the time that happens, it will be too late.
Somebody on this forum said that the higher ups do not even hunt...so why are we waiting for paper pushers to solve a problem that WE are creating?
Why don't we TRY to solve it amongst ourselves?
Start a movement.
Extend a hand.
Something like a buddy system between us and the natives.
If I "stand down" is there a native who would take my hand and take that first step with me, together?
Say I can harvest 1 deer/ moose and my native buddy can harvest 5 deer/moose(whatever that number is, I have no idea, just using 5 as an example).
I agree not to harvest 1 buck/bull/cow/ doe whatever and he agrees not to harvest 1 buck/doe/cow/bull whatever.
Together, we just saved 2 animals to help the population.
We could build trust and open up lines of communication that are closed.
Yes....I would still buy my tag...and no I would not cheat and use it and I would not assume my buddy would cheat either. I would consider my tag money as money spent to help population increase.
Would any other hunters who are concerned about population decline be willing to do the same?
I betcha any money...your native hunting buddy would share some of his meat with you.
Any takers?
Imagine if 100 hunters did this?
....gotta start somewhere....imagine if we did it right here..on OOD!

Oh , if this was an " Utopian " world , there is no such thing!

[Ahuntr300]

I have a radical idea. Extend native hunting rights to everyone - don't take away rights from anyone.

That way everyone will be equal and will need to sit at the same table to work out a sensible conservation strategy for everyone.