Manitoba Night Hunting is Starting a Race War

[Fisherman]

[COLOR=#ff0000]Night hunting as a 'safety' issue is red herring...the real issue is that indigenous sustenance hunters having far more access to the moose than the sport hunters, and that sticks in their craw.

Have you ever spent any time on the ranges in Shilo when this happens or happened when I was there. Makes you want to duck.

[Deer Wrastler]

What a crock of crapola. Might as well give them fully automatic with silencers and grenade lauchers so they can blow the moose polulation to shyte.
They must be really terrible hunters considering I filled my freezer with all the stipulations Im goverened with using archery equipment, someone tell me why this is "needed" for subsistence.

Subsistence definition: denoting or relating to production at a level sufficient only for one's own use or consumption, without any surplus for trade.

When you can travel north and buy FN slaughtered moose and deer its not subsistence anymore its an open market for profit. There needs to be more enforcement for this stuff. Social assistance programs like welfare exist thanks to my taxes and the people who live off it in the "big city" dont need to subsistence hunt their neighbours dog or cat to stay alive. Actually alot of them make out better than low income earners.

I would gladly like the opportunity to night hunt as well, I mean who cares right I only get 1 tag might as well make it easier for everyone. they already have a stacked deck to begin with. Heck why not let them fish with dynamite too! Even give them the point pelee cull..oh wait they already got that one as well.

As for the comments about a race war I agree and have no problem with what he said, at least somebody has the kahoneys to stand up for the rest of us. And yes we are two races, just cause were all humans doesnt mean were the same race but that also doesnt mean each race should have their own set of rules or be treated differently. Treat everyone the same, thats whats just and fair.

[revrnd]

Did their ancestors night hunt w/ spotlights?

[MikePal]

someone tell me why this is "needed" for subsistence.

Subsistence definition: denoting or relating to production at a level sufficient only for one's own use or consumption, without any surplus for trade.

They are guaranteed, by treaty, as indigenous people, the right to sustenance hunting.. not subsistence.

the difference between sustenance and subsistence is that sustenance is something that provides support or nourishment while subsistence is real being; existence.

Did their ancestors night hunt w/ spotlights?

The laws, wisely, stipulate the right to hunt and don't specify how they must hunt. It has nothing to do with the tools or methods used by their ancestors.

[deerslayer]

if they want to night hunt it should be with traditional weapons and transportation that were used back then not the weapons and vehicles that are available now, items it the treaty need to change as things have changed as the years have changed. If they don't want to change then they should have to abide by the same rules of hunting as regular sportsmen. another issue is it states that when all game is gone we must supply them with food so why would they care if all is killed. its unfortunate what happened long ago but both sides have to make concessions if we want to see the resource continue to survive it cant always be one sided

[MikePal]

If they don't want to change then they should have to abide by the same rules of hunting as regular sportsmen.

That's the rub...they are not sportsman, hunting is not a 'sport' for them, they hunt to provide food for their families, to survive. The treaties protect that right.

[redd foxx]

When you can travel north and buy FN slaughtered moose and deer its not subsistence anymore its an open market for profit. There needs to be more enforcement for this stuff.

If anyone travels north and buys this from the F-N people selling it...... they are part of the problem. Cut out the market and there may not be as big a problem. If MNR can't prosecute the natives selling the game ....then maybe it's time they started chasing the non-native buyers!! Get rid of the demand and lower the supply.

[Hunter John]

What a crock of crapola. Might as well give them fully automatic with silencers and grenade lauchers so they can blow the moose polulation to shyte.
They must be really terrible hunters considering I filled my freezer with all the stipulations Im goverened with using archery equipment, someone tell me why this is "needed" for subsistence.

Subsistence definition: denoting or relating to production at a level sufficient only for one's own use or consumption, without any surplus for trade.

When you can travel north and buy FN slaughtered moose and deer its not subsistence anymore its an open market for profit. There needs to be more enforcement for this stuff. Social assistance programs like welfare exist thanks to my taxes and the people who live off it in the "big city" dont need to subsistence hunt their neighbours dog or cat to stay alive. Actually alot of them make out better than low income earners.

I would gladly like the opportunity to night hunt as well, I mean who cares right I only get 1 tag might as well make it easier for everyone. they already have a stacked deck to begin with. Heck why not let them fish with dynamite too! Even give them the point pelee cull..oh wait they already got that one as well.

As for the comments about a race war I agree and have no problem with what he said, at least somebody has the kahoneys to stand up for the rest of us. And yes we are two races, just cause were all humans doesnt mean were the same race but that also doesnt mean each race should have their own set of rules or be treated differently. Treat everyone the same, thats whats just and fair.

Agreed.

[Hunter John]

if they want to night hunt it should be with traditional weapons and transportation that were used back then not the weapons and vehicles that are available now, items it the treaty need to change as things have changed as the years have changed. If they don't want to change then they should have to abide by the same rules of hunting as regular sportsmen. another issue is it states that when all game is gone we must supply them with food so why would they care if all is killed. its unfortunate what hppened long ago but both sides have to make concessions if we want to see the resource continue to survive it cant always be one sided

Agreed X2

[MikePal]

Just to add perspective to the discussion....this issue was addressed in Sask back in 1998 and the rules put in place by the province certainly curtailed the problem associated with Night Hunting;

But both the Métis Nation and the FSIN said regulating spotlighting and unsafe hunting would respect treaty rights and tradition while promoting conservation efforts.

"I agree with restricting the use of artificial light to freeze an animal, because it's not hunting and it's cheating an animal. Elders call it taboo because it's spiritually wrong. It's also a safety concern that has been expressed by First Nations people," Vice-Chief Joseph said in a 1998 article in the StarPhoenix.
"There's absolutely nothing wrong with night hunting [by moonlight]. It's been practiced for many, many years and continues to be practiced."
Finally, the province announced the new regulations prohibiting spotlighting. They also included restrictions against shooting at night from roads and fines of up to $25,000.
"Individuals that were night hunting in settled areas of the province were charged if they were arrested and caught. They were charged because they were discharging their firearm in an unsafe manner," Scott said.
"They were not charged on the basis of their right to hunt, it was charged on the safety issue and the unsafe use of firearms."

"Four or five decades ago, nobody would see a moose south of the forest fringe. Now, the biologists estimate that there are as many moose in the farmland, south of the forest fringe, as there are in the north," Scott, who also served as president of the Saskatchewan Wildlife Federation, said.

"The moose population is certainly healthy, as is the deer population."
It wasn't just the new rules that changed the health of Saskatchewan big game animals, it was the cross-province conversations, Scott added. There aren't a lot of conservation officers to enforce the rules, and enforcement largely relies on people reporting to RCMP. But the consultations brought about a certain public shaming for people who relied on using lights for night hunting.
"What we achieved was, I think, an educational process and a peer-pressure process, basically saying, 'You mean you are not a good enough hunter to go out and harvest an animal with a high-powered rifle and a scope and everything else when your ancestors survived by using a bow and arrow?' So it was some peer pressure as well — give the animal a fair chase, a fair chance at survival and use your skills to hunt," Scott said.
"So it was sort of a peer pressure, a public pressure."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manito...ewan-1.3956974