ON Issue #21 - Businesses not coming to or leaving Ontario

[Bluebulldog]

Between Woodstock and London JBen

LOL...he was being humorously sarcastic....

[Bluebulldog]

I look at this and think of a close friend of mine.

His father started a business in 1981 in Mississauga ON. Building speakers, and PA type equipment.

In the late 80s and early 90s ( due to the audio boom for car audio etc) they expanded exponentially. In the late 90s they diversified and devoted their production to a core group of products centering around ULC rated PA speakers and related equipment.

In the early 2000s they had more than 14 people employed, and times were good.

In 2007, my friend relocated his business to Arthur ON. Mainly to cut overhead costs, including outrageous rent and hydro costs; after all, now days all he really needs is a facility with a loading dock, and phone and internet; and while he asked staff to relocate with him, none chose to. He then became a two man operation. Paring down production, and making much of his process lean manufacturing.

As of 3 years ago he became a one man operation, with a casual helper to assist with busy periods. The business itself while once a viable entity, employing many, is now more of a cottage business to "pay the bills". He will not relocate again, as he would not see a recovery on those costs. His retirement plan was to sell the business and live off the proceeds, that is no longer an option. This is just a snapshot of Wynne's Ontario. A gradual bleeding out of viable businesses.

[line052]

And people are surprised by this. I am a public servant in FED. I see the job posting everyday. 4000 to Environment and Climate change alone. That ensures just like Wynne enough PS is installed in the major metropolis to keep this party in power in Fed and Prov with more voters.

Hunter John: Thanks

Seems like a good place to talk about jobs more.

Fed gov't on hiring spree and the facts the media is skipping on unemployment changes .... two parts

1) Hiring by Fed
http://www.obj.ca/Local/2017-03-10/a...ive-year-low/1
Locally, the federal government has added 23,200 employees since last July. Some 150,700 Ottawa and Gatineau residents now work for the federal government. That’s the highest level on file with Statistics Canada, which publishes local public administration figures dating back to January 2001.

2) People giving up looking
http://globalnews.ca/news/3301141/ca...-hiring-soars/

Only people actively looking for a job are formally counted as unemployed, so a decrease in the unemployment number can reflect more Canadians finding employment or more Canadians giving up on searching for a job. In last month’s case, it was both, StatsCan said.

Provincially, B.C. saw the strongest growth, with 19,400 jobs added. Ontario, Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba saw modest increases, with Ontario’s jobless rate dipping from 6.4 per cent to 6.2 per cent.

[skypilot]

When manufacturing costs Province wide rise, manufactures leave, cut labor and or automate any of which guts the middle class. As manufacturing jobs disappear, service jobs increase, but many aren't qualified. Interesting enough is that many of the jobs in that sector are public service. So people trained in LE, healthcare, engineering, etc. do well, the blue collar workers not so much.

So a decrease in private jobs and increases in Public Service jobs....hmmmm does that sound like a plan? I mean if you want a bigger voting bloc, simply get them all on the Gov. teat.

[sawbill]

There's more than just rising provincially driven costs that force companies to relocate. I point the finger at unions demanding higher wages and benefits for their workers. It will always be much cheaper to manufacture in the States or Mexico and for the consumer, to buy the crap that comes from China.

[JBen]

"and for the consumer, to buy the crap that comes from China".

Years ago, say around 2010, I recall many debates about PS/Private. Some people made them about "greener grass", and I recall many times back then pointing out, how at that time Walmart parking lots were full.........................Cause (s)...........and Effect.

Fast forward to today.
With so many people finding it tougher and tougher to enjoy life, whether thats squirrel money for a vacation, a new car, or a home (period) or retirement.
Unions (private and public) will push for more money, more benefits. Sort of understandable right? They see others shopping at Sobeys, and and don't want to have to shop at WT...

The companies essentially have 3 choices.
1) Eat the cost and raise the price of their goods...forcing more people to shop at Walmart
2) Relocate somewhere cheaper
3) Fire them all, and hire people at cheaper cost.

The consumer doesn't have those options with government. There is no Walmart, there is no option not to shop at company X that is rising prices......

Many "believe" the solution is simple, just pay everyone else more.....
And the Hamster on the wheel keeps spinning as inflation keeps things on a keel
Companies hike the price of the widget or service.....
Consumers (those with the money who can afford the "new" cost of X) wonder why it is, nothing has really changed and so they want more.

Im somewhat convinced what we actually need is a fairly prolonged period of deflation. Where a whole bunch of people in many industries........make less... and that in turn lowers the cost of A to Z.......

Would also mean companies.......and government would have more $ to maintain the jobs/cost (overhead) and or actually hire more people.

[fishermccann]

The Libertarian Plan for business

## DRAFT - UNDER DEVELOPMENT ##

Ontario has everything going for it - abundant natural resources, well educated people, proximity to the largest economy in the world. Yet in spite of these natural advantages, people and companies are fleeing the province for other jurisdictions. The only thing that needs to be changed for Ontario to the most attractive place to work and operate a business is Government policy.

Our theme for our Jobs and the Economy platform is "Make Ontario a Job Magnet".

At present, Government intervention in the economy has passed the tipping point. Ontario is no longer an attractive place for people to work and businesses to locate. In all parts of the province, businesses are closing and people are out of work and facing limited opportunities. Government is the problem. A change from the status quo is needed.

The Ontario Libertarian Party will make Ontario a job magnet!
Here's how:
•we will put in place a sensible electricty policy, our theme for Hydro Rates is "Cut your hydro bill in half".
•we will put in place a sensible Government and Taxation plan, including balance the provincial budget
•we will repeal the job-killing Cap & Trade Carbon Tax
•we will end any Government program and service related to mitigating climate change
•we will end Corporate taxation, of course Corporations will still pay HST
•we end all grants and loans to Corporations and other entities
•we will end mandatory insurance with WSIB
•we will end mandatory registration with the College of Trades

That is how we will make Ontario a job magnet!

Sorry but with that plan you will never be in power.

[sambo]

Sorry but with that plan you will never be in power.

Why?????

[fishermccann]

There's more than just rising provincially driven costs that force companies to relocate. I point the finger at unions demanding higher wages and benefits for their workers. It will always be much cheaper to manufacture in the States or Mexico and for the consumer, to buy the crap that comes from China.

The facts show, that states with the 'right to work' laws have the lowest standard of living in the entire U.S. Sure they have jobs, but at what cost? I guess it means the right to be poor, illiterate, have no heath care and be taken advantage of.

[fishermccann]

Why?????

Most voters want... the gov. to do something about climate change, want corp. to pay taxes ( maybe more than they do now), want workplace insurance for employees, want tradespeople registered with the college of trades, ending grants and loans may close some businesses that employ the workers who vote. A popular misconception is that people want less government but that is not true, some do.... but MOST VOTERS want a cradle to grave, government help-direction, safety net.