Hunting deer near farms etc. Pesticides and herbicides ?!?

[Snip]

trimmer21 the deer we eat is no more genetically modified than the beef at the grocery store, it is of no benefit to bring in misinformation to cloud the situation, this is what all the special interest groups do to confuse people. Every organism is genetically modified as it is a product of it parents thus being genetically modified, the real only non genetic modification is cloning or in some species that can reproduce on their own. If a product at the grocery store has a % protein on the label it will have other things added to it like water, salt or preservatives but the steak your butcher cuts for you will be meat, my point being not all purchased food is created equal. I will agree there is a ton of junk for sale at the grocery store but we have one of the safest, most abundant and cheapest food supplies in the world we don't have to bash it to make venison seem better, I eat a lot of venison because I like it and believe it to be very safe for myself and my family simple as that.

[Fox]

This is an excellent explanation....period. MH1001,relax and enjoy any wild game meat that comes your way. The one thing wild game meat is NOT,is genetically modified and packed full of chemical preservatives like so much food that's commercially grown and sold as "fresh". Honestly,it's a wonder we don't all glow in the dark with the crap that's in grocery stores these days.

Farmers are not trying to kill you, who would they sell to then?

All this crap is fear mongering, everything is modified, everything we eat is both organic and GMO, those are natural things, the venison is packed full of chemicals and hormones as well, you just don't know how much because nothing is ever tested on wild game.

[mpsmyth6]

Gotta love all the fear based marketing out there that people believe in. If you've been convinced that our food, especially our meat is full of chemicals, additives or whatever then that just adds to the confusion and mis-information that those not connected to farms pick up on. Places like A&W and others that rely on fear-based marketing drive me nuts. They should work on educating consumers, not scaring them away from their competitor with fear marketing just to claim those dollars. I feed my family game meat, because I hunt and we like it. I feed my family beef, pork, chicken and such from the grocery store, or buy it from my inlaw's farm, again because we like it.
We are lucky in this society that we have the means to pick and choose our diets based on production methods and marketing, instead of wondering where our next meal will come from.
If you hunt you have a way to put meat in the freezer you may not find otherwise.
Happy hunting.

[trimmer21]

trimmer21 the deer we eat is no more genetically modified than the beef at the grocery store, it is of no benefit to bring in misinformation to cloud the situation, this is what all the special interest groups do to confuse people. .

This was the entire point of my post. I think you may have misread or misunderstood.

[trimmer21]

Farmers are not trying to kill you, who would they sell to then?

the venison is packed full of chemicals and hormones as well, you just don't know how much because nothing is ever tested on wild game.

Commercially grown Venison maybe,but,wild Venison? Sorry,Fox,I don't think so.

[mpsmyth6]

Commercially grown Venison maybe,but,wild Venison? Sorry,Fox,I don't think so.

All animals have hormones in them, they occur naturally in animals, just as we produce them in our own bodies. This is estrogen just to be clear when they talk about hormones. Implanted beef has less estrogen than wheat or potatoes, which is why I hate A&W as they scare you from meat but don't tell you the bun and fries have more estrogen than the beef does. Deer eat crops right out of our fields, so sure they could consume minute levels of pesticides, but not nearly enough for anything to affect safety of the meat.
So Fox is correct in his statement....

[Snip]

Every living thing has "chemicals"(reminds me of the old dihydrogen oxide joke) and hormones in it if it didn't it wouldn't be alive simple as that, we also have to be aware of what we see in the media as farming practices are not the same everywhere and rules in Canada are different than rules in other countries. Most farmers care about the animals they keep and the products they produce, healthy plants and animals are more productive. We need to understand that chicken nuggets are a lot more than chicken and I don't even want to know what is in something like a twinkie but I bet a small amount of it comes from a farm. Lets not confuse real food with what we primarily see on grocery store shelves.

[Fox]

All animals have hormones in them, they occur naturally in animals, just as we produce them in our own bodies. This is estrogen just to be clear when they talk about hormones. Implanted beef has less estrogen than wheat or potatoes, which is why I hate A&W as they scare you from meat but don't tell you the bun and fries have more estrogen than the beef does. Deer eat crops right out of our fields, so sure they could consume minute levels of pesticides, but not nearly enough for anything to affect safety of the meat.
So Fox is correct in his statement....

Thank you, this is the point, hormones and chemical are normal, we test like no other in this country, I would trust our beef here over many other countries and I can tell you for certain that wild venison has the potential to have a lot more nasty chemicals in it than farmed, simply due to the lack of containing the animal, but that does not mean it is unsafe at all.

A&W are idiots, they claim they are all high and mighty but what they are talking about with their lack of antibiotics means every egg in Canada, there is a withdrawal time on antibiotics and if any chickens have to be given them they cannot be used for egg production for a period of time. We also do not use hormones in any dairy cattle in Canada, additional hormones are only allowed in beef cattle with again a withdrawal time.

Remember people, farmers are not trying to kill you and venison is as organic as any livestock and as non-GMO, no wild venison would ever be considered "certified organic" as they have access to "non-organic" feed.

I hate that work organic, in reality it means based on carbon, which everything we eat is carbon based and therefore by definition organic.

[Fox]

Every living thing has "chemicals"(reminds me of the old dihydrogen oxide joke) and hormones in it if it didn't it wouldn't be alive simple as that, we also have to be aware of what we see in the media as farming practices are not the same everywhere and rules in Canada are different than rules in other countries. Most farmers care about the animals they keep and the products they produce, healthy plants and animals are more productive. We need to understand that chicken nuggets are a lot more than chicken and I don't even want to know what is in something like a twinkie but I bet a small amount of it comes from a farm. Lets not confuse real food with what we primarily see on grocery store shelves.

What we see on store shelves is real food but your definition of real food is not correct. What you mean is that you do not consider anything that you cannot put back together into the plant or animal.

If I said I was going to put Celery extract into meat would you be ok with that? What about Sodium Nitrate? They are both the same thing, Celery extract is used as a "natural" preservative and Schneiders was actually sued because they labelled their products containing this as "no preservatives".

[Snip]

Fox, point taken, in my mind I was thinking of the heavily processed foods with high levels of sodium, refined sugars and bad fats. Again not saying these products are all bad as they are derived from agricultural products but the percent of shelf space these type of products take up are disproportional to the amount of healthy consumption levels. Kinda like beaver caster gland extract or castoreum being used as "natural flavouring" in root beer and other products, yup that's pretty natural but I will keep my consumption levels low. Sorry for the highjacked thread.