ON ISSUE #28 - 32-per-cent hike in minimum wage rates will cause many small businesses to close

[glen]

If they really wanted to help people they would have lowered taxes. (Like in the US)
She costs us billions then points a finger at Tim’s. it’s funny how crazy they are. They might be certifiable.

[Bluebulldog]

If they really wanted to help people they would have lowered taxes. (Like in the US)
She costs us billions then points a finger at Tim’s. it’s funny how crazy they are. They might be certifiable.

See. Min wage goes up...so does the price of most consumer goods. So no real benefit there for low income families.

However, there is more income tax collected on the additional income, and extra sales tax paid on the price increase.

No. The Wynne Government could have done a lot to assist the low income earners. They could have mandated that employers with a set amount of staff, or profit, would be required to provide some form of health benefits coverage. They could have given larger amounts of tax incentives or breaks.

None of which would result in more revenue though, and for a Province that's $300 billion in debt, that spends as much as it does on Health Care to service it.....revenue is a huge concern.

[fratri]

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[exgunner]

Was one of the top news stories up here yesterday that the bus companies are now having trouble finding drivers. They used to pay drivers 14 dollars an hour which was 2.50 more then minimum wage but now that wages have gone up they have no money in the budget to pay for an increase to keep people at this job instead of something more convenient. Since they are funded by the government they need new allocation. Of funds to cover the cost of raising wages ....... so a tax increase for everyone is coming .....

[Bluebulldog]

Was one of the top news stories up here yesterday that the bus companies are now having trouble finding drivers. They used to pay drivers 14 dollars an hour which was 2.50 more then minimum wage but now that wages have gone up they have no money in the budget to pay for an increase to keep people at this job instead of something more convenient. Since they are funded by the government they need new allocation. Of funds to cover the cost of raising wages ....... so a tax increase for everyone is coming .....

Oh, the trickle up effect was one of the main factors outlined when the Province started the review in 2014. It was conveniently ignored.

My Summer students all will have elevated pay scales this Summer. I'm municipal, so guess who's property tax levy is going up too?

[mosquito]

If they really wanted to help people they would have lowered taxes. (Like in the US)
She costs us billions then points a finger at Tim’s. it’s funny how crazy they are. They might be certifiable.

No, I don't think so, their supporters .. maybe or just incapable of empathy or understanding but the Libs know what works for them and that is the "us vs them" strategy. The thousands that are losing their jobs, getting reduced hours and losing benefits will be against the owners, the employers and those that can figure out that this rapid an increase is nothing more than trying to buy the election with union help of course.

Tim Horton's when I was in there had 14 people (I could see and count) including what I think were 4 trainies this week..... so you start looking at the costs it goes through the roof. With this increase (and the tax increase too) the owners of their franchise takes the hit, not the parent company in Brazil and they aren't going to let them raise their prices (yet) so that is $250,000 reduction in income Yes, some of the owners are rich but alot of these owners work there too and this is their job, so they obviously aren't being treated fairly. Given the high taxes and the increases there, then given the law suit from 10 years ago.... sure looks unfair! Alot of locations sure are likely looking at ways to reduce costs (maybe even automation ordering and other items like you see in McDonalds) so we will see how it plays out, unlikely but maybe even some closings or owners selling on now marginal locations.

Each of these franchises is essentially a small business that pays 8% gross to a company that's head office is in Brazil to use a name and unions are definitely anti-innovation and anti-small business and risk takers, but it seems alot just can't find any empathy for an owner that had HIS/THEIR (and the families) pay reduced by $243,889 ... which if you look at the lawsuit numbers could be 1/2 their income. $243,889 ..... that's alot of coffees.... say each coffee is $1, labour materials (coffee, cup..), infrastructure etc. .... let's be conservative and say $.50 .... so at a minimum they would have to sell 500,000 more coffees to make that up.... and some just seem so unable to look at how a business works ...no empathy, no understanding and no desire to understand ... sad.

Divide and add tax "revenue" .... Libs!

Oh, the trickle up effect was one of the main factors outlined when the Province started the review in 2014. It was conveniently ignored.

My Summer students all will have elevated pay scales this Summer. I'm municipal, so guess who's property tax levy is going up too?

All cities and municipalities ..... IF ..... they hire will have to make up that difference, but that won't be seen until after the election.... and the $1 still floating there as bait!! underhanded, sneaky grab at power... !

[mosquito]

I wonder how any thinking person can think this is fair to the franchises.... last increase in 2014 by 10 cents/coffee or sandwich. Here is a good look at the numbers.

http://business.financialpost.com/ne...imum-wage-hike



No matter how you look at it and think about the realities you can see it is just an attempt to buy the election ... then there is OHIP+ and what else will they add??? Oh and as for OHIP+ .... why 24? to buy the youth voters and lock them in of course!

[fratri]

I wonder how any thinking person can think you can live off $14 an hour.
That OHIP thing up to 24... ya not liking that too much.

[Bluebulldog]

I wonder how any thinking person can think you can live off $14 an hour.
That OHIP thing up to 24... ya not liking that too much.

You don't get it.

The idea with minimum wage is that it's just that, minimum. If every person without experience and education was able to live a relatively nice life based on that alone, where is the initiative, where is the incentive to elevate yourself? Evidently the idea of a meritocracy, where hard work, dedication and perseverance doesn't fit well in a socialist utopia where everyone gets a prize, and no one gets left behind in school.....

[fratri]

You don't get it.
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I guess I don't and I am okay with that...Let me just add....
Lazy people should be fired....
unproductive people should get fired....
Incompetent people should be fired...
Irresponsible people should be fired....

Competent, responsible, dependable people should be paid well... And I am all in favour of giving bonuses to the best workers/players.