Fed Issue #50 - Canada to buy USED fighter jets........

[fishermccann]

Oh Oh , I see an avalanche of cut and paste coming up, LOL.

[trimmer21]

Further left than Liberals or even the NDP is the Communists.
They have a good record of supporting the military.
Food for thought.

They also have a reputation for directing their military against the civilian population that don't happen to genuflect and grovel or toe the party line,after they disarm the citizenry so they can't fight back which sure sounds familiar to me. The Communist Party of Canada and Marxist/Leninists are closer to the NeeDeePers than they let on.

[mosquito]

Oh yeah..... Communists treated the military so well..... shooting about 15,000 of their own at Stalingrad and only giving every 5th or so an actual rifle. My dad had a friend that had immigrated to Canada and had served for Germany on the Eastern front, he said most had sticks or boards and they just machine gunned them down, but if they turned back they were also shot. I've also read how those shot retreating had their families sent to Siberia. Then we can see Cuba sending it's mercenaries all over the world to die for the glory of the Stalinist world goal.... thousands killed/raped etc. by them all over Central and South America and Africa.

They have been treated ok at times but Afghanistan didn't work out for them so well but Crimea and Georgia went well but Ukraine is a bit of a sticking issue but in Syria their protection of their interests seems to be ok so their treatment this century seems ok but yes of course it is a priority. Just look at China and how it is building new military bases in contested areas, funding new jets (designs copied from US and European) carriers and new tech copied from the world .... but actually since Canada sold them one of the military techs they didn't have they can make their own new tech too now probably.... the military of course is important to the Communists, it is the back bone of their staying in power, you have to keep them happy so you can have them run over hundreds (or thousands) pesky students wanting freedoms.

Canada on the other hand goes to the junk yards of the world and buys used when the Liberal's are in power and insults them to their faces..... I like the new tags I see on twitter ..... #NoLibs2018 and for Canada #NoLibs2019

[Dythbringer]

My point is simple.
If we chose a new fighter platform today how long would it take to be in place at the squadron level?
First off a contract would have to be negotiated.
Would we jump to the front of the line delivery wise. Not likely.
How long to upgrade our technicians (airframe, avionics, safety systems and weapons) to the new equipment? Again it would also include time waiting on the planes to arrive to give them experience with the platform.
Time to select and source flight simulators also has to be factored in.
How long for our pilots to transition in to the new platform. Again we would need planes and simulators first before getting to this.
For both the technicians & pilots we would also have to train the trainers first.
None of this can even begin to start until the platform is selected.
How long before the logistical system would be ready to support the new planes? Again this would take time.
So yes lead time wouldn't be minimal.

Based on the CF-18 replacement of the CF-101 and CF-104, Canada could get a new fighter jet in 5 years from beginning the competition to accepting the first jet at a squad level. It was 3 years to make a decision and then 2 years to take delivery which would account for training pilots and ground crews.

Now, the Liberals have given us a timeline of awarding a contract in 2019 and new delievery in 2025. The Liberals should be awarding a contract later this year rather than holding off until 2019 (possibly after the election). The jets need to be delivered faster than 6 years (and yes, it can happen as Lockheed-Martin retooled their F-35 plant to increase production back in 2016 to hit full production in 2019). While the Conservatives definitely bungled the tender process, at least they made a decision to initially purchase the F-35 while the Liberals have decided to drag their heels on procurement of military hardware once again. Both parties have flipped on whether they would purchase the F-35 (the cons when it came out that a slight majority of Canadians didn't want to purchase the jet and then the Liberals when they stated they wouldn't purchase the jet as part of their platform only to state that the F-35 could be considered in the tender process).

I wish our politicians would take the Australian approach to national defense. The Aussies don't bring partisan politics into making decisions about keeping their country safe. All parties are on the same page when it comes to national defense.

[trimmer21]

Based on the CF-18 replacement of the CF-101 and CF-104, Canada could get a new fighter jet in 5 years from beginning the competition to accepting the first jet at a squad level. It was 3 years to make a decision and then 2 years to take delivery which would account for training pilots and ground crews.

Now, the Liberals have given us a timeline of awarding a contract in 2019 and new delievery in 2025. The Liberals should be awarding a contract later this year rather than holding off until 2019 (possibly after the election). The jets need to be delivered faster than 6 years (and yes, it can happen as Lockheed-Martin retooled their F-35 plant to increase production back in 2016 to hit full production in 2019). While the Conservatives definitely bungled the tender process, at least they made a decision to initially purchase the F-35 while the Liberals have decided to drag their heels on procurement of military hardware once again. Both parties have flipped on whether they would purchase the F-35 (the cons when it came out that a slight majority of Canadians didn't want to purchase the jet and then the Liberals when they stated they wouldn't purchase the jet as part of their platform only to state that the F-35 could be considered in the tender process).

I wish our politicians would take the Australian approach to national defense. The Aussies don't bring partisan politics into making decisions about keeping their country safe. All parties are on the same page when it comes to national defense.

During the early times of WW2,Australia was in very real danger of invasion by Japanese forces. There's nothing like staring down the business end of enemy rifles to get ones attention.

[Dythbringer]

During the early times of WW2,Australia was in very real danger of invasion by Japanese forces. There's nothing like staring down the business end of enemy rifles to get ones attention.

It is also the common sense approach Aussies have to life. They don't beat around the bush. They get straight to the point.

[fishermccann]

It is also the common sense approach Aussies have to life. They don't beat around the bush. They get straight to the point.

Like their gun ban?..... Sorry their 'selective', gun ban.

[trimmer21]

Like their gun ban?..... Sorry their 'selective', gun ban.

Nope,not one shred of common sense with that one.

[Dythbringer]

Like their gun ban?..... Sorry their 'selective', gun ban.

I happen to know a good number of Aussies and all of them hate their gun control laws.

[mosquito]

Just an update on jets, probably lots of travel and expensive dinners more than anything.

http://www.janes.com/article/78171/c...er-competition
The Canadian government said eligible suppliers for its future fighter programme are the United States’ Boeing and Lockheed Martin, the United Kingdom’s Airbus Defence and Space, Sweden’s Saab, and France’s Dassault.

Sweden is in there, a good choice but I wonder... with a population 1/3 that of Canada's...... we brag about Canada's advantages and tech, yet when the rubber meets the road you end up with maple syrup, Crown Whiskey, timbits, selling raw resources and comic relief in the PM office. Over the protests of allies they sell military tech companies to China (and anything else they want), we fund Bombardier but don't have enough for vets.... and water pollution and clean water on reserves .....