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    Back on track.... Are the PC's going to screw up the victory by bringing up sex-ed curriculum?.... Why rattle the cage
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    First off I will say congrats to Mr. Ford. My worst fear though is that all the soft liberal votes that are turning away from Redenbacher and could have been votes for the PCs will now instead shift to the NDP. All those soft votes will be too afraid to go as far right as Ford and I fear we will end up in the same boat we found ourselves in 1990 when Rae ended up running the show.
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    ^^^ my fears exactly.
    I’m suspicious of people who don't like dogs, but I trust a dog who doesn't like a person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by line052 View Post
    “The PCOP still have the peoples pledge platform that they are running on. There is no time (maybe), to change it before June 7th. Even if they could it would involve a Policy Convention.”

    Read what I said, they can change it..if the will is there, but without holding a policy (constitutional requirement), it can’t be done arbitrarily.
    Identity politics will ensure you remain loyal to the “cause”, just long enough to hand over all the power you have on June 7th. On June 8th you are not needed anymore. They will have the power..I get it.
    As long you continue to believe you have power after June 8th, you will be OK. Let me ask you, in the PCOP platform…are they changing property rights, curtailing the power of Conservation Authorities, are they protecting land owners from increasing powers to seize your lands. Jack MacLaren left the party to side with Ontario Land Owners Association (OLA). I guess if the most Democratic Party in (PCOP), actually believed that, they would have an official platform Plank to address this issue.
    You see, I drank the coolaid of PCOP for 30 years, I have no ill will to them. But, the anger I see expressed here is exactly how you have been programed to think and react. I get, I was of the same view.
    But to me, unless you/we have first rights over government, then you are part of the problem of ensuring you will never be control of your life. You will be bound the powers of the government..how is that freedom, how is that having control over the efforts of your work.
    True freedom and democracy begins with individual rights, land rights, the power to control your property and the governments influence over your rights.
    Our platform address all those concerns and rights. One in which you the people retain the power and control by giving authority over government over property, One that puts you’re the taxpayer in control of your tax dollars. A platform that has you control the funds and make choices what services you want. A platform the supports business innovation and attracts growth back to Ontario.
    Doug Ford said yesterday, that he will offer tax credits to help businesses relocate back to Ontario, the reason he needs to say that is to ensure businesses need to approach government for these credits. But the real problem is over regulation, high hydro, high taxation and high labour costs which are making the province a place to not set up business.

    We have 3 planks in our platform designed to bring businesses back and make Ontario a place to set up business.
    Hydro
    The Ontario Libertarian Party will cut your Hydro bill in half!
    Here's how:
    • repeal the Green Energy Act
    • eliminate time of use billing
    • end discriminatory delivery charges crushing rural residents
    • remove all subsidized power from the grid
    • terminate for convenience all subsidized generation contracts
    • transfer off the Hydro books all termination costs including past gas plant termination costs. Hydro customers will not be made to pay for the Government boondoggles.
    • terminate all Liberal Government appointees from all boards and electricity related entities
    That is how we will cut our bills in half!
    Job and the Economy
    The Ontario Libertarian Party will make Ontario a job magnet!
    Here's how:
    • we will put in place a sensible electricity policy, our theme for Hydro Rates is "Cut your hydro bill in half".
    • we will put in place a sensible Government and Taxation plan, including balance the provincial budget
    • we will repeal the job-killing Cap & Trade Carbon Tax
    • we will end any Government program and service related to mitigating climate change
    • we will end Corporate taxation, of course Corporations will still pay HST
    • we will end all grants and loans to Corporations and other entities
    • we will end mandatory insurance with WSIB
    • we will end mandatory registration with the College of Trades
    That is how we will make Ontario a job magnet!
    Property Rights
    The Ontario Libertarian Party will say loud and clear - "Back Off Government"!
    Here's how:
    • Government agents will have no special privilege under the Ontario Trespass Act
    • Conservation Authorities and any other Department or Agency will have no jurisdiction over privately owned property. What this means for instance is the operator of a bar or restaurant can allow smoking on the premises without Government interference so long as the property owner is in agreement.
    • The Ontario Building Code Act will be amended so that it does not apply on a mandatory basis. Property owners can use the Code as guidance if they like. There will be no restrictions on off-grid solar installations.
    • Municipal Bylaw inspectors will have no right of entry or inspection uninvited without a judge's order.
    • Reduce the Ontario Land Transfer Tax to be a flat fee of $275 instead of the current fee that is based on the property value.
    That is how we will say loud and clear "Back Off Government"!
    There is time to amend the policies and completely ditch some of Brown's crap. I know that really doesn't help your cause...

    If I understand your position on hydro correctly, tearing up FIT contracts will get the government sued for breach of contract. What is that going to cost and where is money coming from?
    Where are you going to move gas plant and other hydro debt to, and who pays? The debts still have to be paid.
    Not requiring the building code? This will create a lot of problems, when dishonest contractors or people who really don't have a clue what they are doing start removing load bearing walls etc in their homes or condominium. This really does not sound well thought out.
    Make WSIB voluntary for employers. Are you kidding? I know the premiums can be high for certain work or employers with a lot of claims. But only screws every worker who gets hurt on the job. How do you propose injured workers pay their bills while recovering
    Question about your proposed property rights. Does this mean I no longer need to buy a hunting license or game seals if I only hunt on private property?
    What are your projected provincial debt levels for the next 8 years and provide detail of how are you will lower it each year.
    Smoking in bars and restaurants has been gone long enough that it would be business death sentence if they started again? But if that's what you believe the general population wants...

    Also would like to know your parties policy on marijuana and what part the provincial government should play.

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    If I understand your position on hydro correctly, tearing up FIT contracts will get the government sued for breach of contract. What is that going to cost and where is money coming from? Where are you going to move gas plant and other hydro debt to, and who pays? The debts still have to be paid.
    Each contract has a “for convenience clause” that allows the government. The contracts have to go, we will remove all subsidized hydro from the grid, as it was wrote in bad faith and is the cause of the huge increases in Delivery to you, Distribtuion charge increases to subsidize the contracts. These contract benefit no users in Ontario, and place/cause unfair competitive charges to consumers.

    Secondly, we will remove all appointees from the OEB and corporations.
    Third - Remove all Carbon taxation from energy.
    Fourth – remove all time of use billing to make it fair for everyone
    Lastly, we initiate a debt retirement plan to pay off the debt.
    The hydro file and fixing it is our number 1 concern to make Ontario a business place to set up shop. Hydro costs in every state and province around Ontario are cheaper, so no incentive for any business to locate here..unless you grovel to government for tax credits. That is not free market, and we are getting out of the business of subsidies.

    Not requiring the building code? This will create a lot of problems, when dishonest contractors or people who really don't have a clue what they are doing start removing load bearing walls etc in their homes or condominium. This really does not sound well thought out.
    It does not say we are getting rid of the building code, we will change the law that makes it mandatory. So if you are a private landowner and wish to live in an Earthen home on your property, go ahead, it will be your life and your risk. Any smart homeowner would build to a code if they ever hope to grow your investment..but if you don’t..that is your investment choice.

    Commercial builders will have to follow the code as they will be selling a product and are liable, if you want a mortgage, you will have to satisfy a bank or an insurer. So little will change, except people if they choose not to build to a code, they will no longer be forced to. But, you as an individual will be responsible for your home.

    Make WSIB voluntary for employers. Are you kidding? I know the premiums can be high for certain work or employers with a lot of claims. But only screws every worker who gets hurt on the job. How do you propose injured workers pay their bills while recovering
    Mandatory WSIB will be ended “Mandatory”, is the key word, if an employer decides to leave the program for another private insurer that is what that means. Auto Sector and large companies have protected legislative rights not to join, because they have own employee programs. Smaller companies have no choice, so it hurts smaller businesses.

    I would challenge you to prove to me the system works to help injured workers, it has over the last 30 yrs continually gotten worse with more bureaucracy and less support to the workers. That is a fact. I have seen several of my friends go thru the terrible process that is in place now..with poor retraining skills, ultimatums to accept less pay and work than the originally had before being injured. Or you are cut off…
    The program when it first came out worked very well, but in the last 30 years is has grown in bureaucracy and know only 30% of all premiums goes to injured workers and 70% to the growth of bureucrats.

    Question about your proposed property rights. Does this mean I no longer need to buy a hunting license or game seals if I only hunt on private property?
    Currently under the Ontario Municipal Board (OMB), Municipal Property Assessment Corporation (MPAC), Conservation Authority (CA), these organizations have unlimited control, access and authority over your property. They use the power and money behind the municipality to fight you over your property rights. Most small guys have no chance of winning. They run out of money or life before it is resolved.
    The problem here is you do not own land, in title, no land use. The Canadian Constitution of 17 April 1982 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Canada took away those rights which used to be protected under British Common Law and the Magna Carta.
    Both MPAC and CA derive their authority from these Acts. What does that mean to you- me and every other person who buys a house or a rural, acreage property? It means the government controls the lands, the land use, what you can build, how you can build, if you can move soil, add soil, take away soil, cut your trees, divert water, use water.

    The government has total control of your property rights and you have no say. THIS statement is not really true, but the effect is the same in Ontario and Canada. You do own a piece of paper with a drawing of your property lines that you paid for (or mortgaged), but you the owner - have last right of decisions over your property. If you disagree, or don’t get permission to build a house, then the full weight of municipal, provincial government will move in with armed men and seize your land if you don’t comply to will of government agencies and authorities.

    In effect you have no right to make decisions over the land you purchased.

    If you own first right to land (in law), then the government is subservient to you the land owner. That is true power over government, which is true land ownership rights, that is true freedom to chart your own destiny and way of life.



    What are your projected provincial debt levels for the next 8 years and provide detail of how are you will lower it each year.
    Through reductions in bureaucracy, and elimination of many wasted jobs, plus freeing up the markets of education and healthcare with choice I.E. like OHIP, keep it, but you will control all the funds and decide who your provider will be..same with education..like your public school system..great funding will be attached to the child and parents will control how their children are educated.

    Smoking in bars and restaurants has been gone long enough that it would be business death sentence if they started again? But if that's what you believe the general population wants...

    A private business will be able to offer both options. His clients will decide if market will support the business idea. Want to go to smoking business..go..want to go to a nonsmoking business..go. The business idea will succeed on the merits of the business plan..not government regulation. That is the great thing about freedom to choose and operate a business as you see fit.

    Also would like to know your parties policy on marijuana and what part the provincial government should play.

    Zero, let the free market run sales of MJ, LCBO and Beer stores

    Quote Originally Posted by B Wilson View Post
    There is time to amend the policies and completely ditch some of Brown's crap. I know that really doesn't help your cause...

    If I understand your position on hydro correctly, tearing up FIT contracts will get the government sued for breach of contract. What is that going to cost and where is money coming from?
    Where are you going to move gas plant and other hydro debt to, and who pays? The debts still have to be paid.
    Not requiring the building code? This will create a lot of problems, when dishonest contractors or people who really don't have a clue what they are doing start removing load bearing walls etc in their homes or condominium. This really does not sound well thought out.
    Make WSIB voluntary for employers. Are you kidding? I know the premiums can be high for certain work or employers with a lot of claims. But only screws every worker who gets hurt on the job. How do you propose injured workers pay their bills while recovering
    Question about your proposed property rights. Does this mean I no longer need to buy a hunting license or game seals if I only hunt on private property?
    What are your projected provincial debt levels for the next 8 years and provide detail of how are you will lower it each year.
    Smoking in bars and restaurants has been gone long enough that it would be business death sentence if they started again? But if that's what you believe the general population wants...

    Also would like to know your parties policy on marijuana and what part the provincial government should play.
    Mark Snow, Leader Of The, Ontario Libertarian Party

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    Thanks for confirming that I will never vote Libertarian. What a fricken mess !

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    Quote Originally Posted by yellow dog View Post
    Thanks for confirming that I will never vote Libertarian. What a fricken mess !
    Ya, I feel the same. Basically their philosophy sounds like it's one big free-for-all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by line052 View Post
    If I understand your position on hydro correctly, tearing up FIT contracts will get the government sued for breach of contract. What is that going to cost and where is money coming from? Where are you going to move gas plant and other hydro debt to, and who pays? The debts still have to be paid.
    Each contract has a “for convenience clause” that allows the government. The contracts have to go, we will remove all subsidized hydro from the grid, as it was wrote in bad faith and is the cause of the huge increases in Delivery to you, Distribtuion charge increases to subsidize the contracts. These contract benefit no users in Ontario, and place/cause unfair competitive charges to consumers.

    Secondly, we will remove all appointees from the OEB and corporations.
    Third - Remove all Carbon taxation from energy.
    Fourth – remove all time of use billing to make it fair for everyone
    Lastly, we initiate a debt retirement plan to pay off the debt.
    The hydro file and fixing it is our number 1 concern to make Ontario a business place to set up shop. Hydro costs in every state and province around Ontario are cheaper, so no incentive for any business to locate here..unless you grovel to government for tax credits. That is not free market, and we are getting out of the business of subsidies.

    Not requiring the building code? This will create a lot of problems, when dishonest contractors or people who really don't have a clue what they are doing start removing load bearing walls etc in their homes or condominium. This really does not sound well thought out.
    It does not say we are getting rid of the building code, we will change the law that makes it mandatory. So if you are a private landowner and wish to live in an Earthen home on your property, go ahead, it will be your life and your risk. Any smart homeowner would build to a code if they ever hope to grow your investment..but if you don’t..that is your investment choice.

    Commercial builders will have to follow the code as they will be selling a product and are liable, if you want a mortgage, you will have to satisfy a bank or an insurer. So little will change, except people if they choose not to build to a code, they will no longer be forced to. But, you as an individual will be responsible for your home.

    Make WSIB voluntary for employers. Are you kidding? I know the premiums can be high for certain work or employers with a lot of claims. But only screws every worker who gets hurt on the job. How do you propose injured workers pay their bills while recovering
    Mandatory WSIB will be ended “Mandatory”, is the key word, if an employer decides to leave the program for another private insurer that is what that means. Auto Sector and large companies have protected legislative rights not to join, because they have own employee programs. Smaller companies have no choice, so it hurts smaller businesses.

    I would challenge you to prove to me the system works to help injured workers, it has over the last 30 yrs continually gotten worse with more bureaucracy and less support to the workers. That is a fact. I have seen several of my friends go thru the terrible process that is in place now..with poor retraining skills, ultimatums to accept less pay and work than the originally had before being injured. Or you are cut off…
    The program when it first came out worked very well, but in the last 30 years is has grown in bureaucracy and know only 30% of all premiums goes to injured workers and 70% to the growth of bureucrats.

    Question about your proposed property rights. Does this mean I no longer need to buy a hunting license or game seals if I only hunt on private property?
    Currently under the Ontario Municipal Board (OMB), Municipal Property Assessment Corporation (MPAC), Conservation Authority (CA), these organizations have unlimited control, access and authority over your property. They use the power and money behind the municipality to fight you over your property rights. Most small guys have no chance of winning. They run out of money or life before it is resolved.
    The problem here is you do not own land, in title, no land use. The Canadian Constitution of 17 April 1982 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Canada took away those rights which used to be protected under British Common Law and the Magna Carta.
    Both MPAC and CA derive their authority from these Acts. What does that mean to you- me and every other person who buys a house or a rural, acreage property? It means the government controls the lands, the land use, what you can build, how you can build, if you can move soil, add soil, take away soil, cut your trees, divert water, use water.

    The government has total control of your property rights and you have no say. THIS statement is not really true, but the effect is the same in Ontario and Canada. You do own a piece of paper with a drawing of your property lines that you paid for (or mortgaged), but you the owner - have last right of decisions over your property. If you disagree, or don’t get permission to build a house, then the full weight of municipal, provincial government will move in with armed men and seize your land if you don’t comply to will of government agencies and authorities.

    In effect you have no right to make decisions over the land you purchased.

    If you own first right to land (in law), then the government is subservient to you the land owner. That is true power over government, which is true land ownership rights, that is true freedom to chart your own destiny and way of life.



    What are your projected provincial debt levels for the next 8 years and provide detail of how are you will lower it each year.
    Through reductions in bureaucracy, and elimination of many wasted jobs, plus freeing up the markets of education and healthcare with choice I.E. like OHIP, keep it, but you will control all the funds and decide who your provider will be..same with education..like your public school system..great funding will be attached to the child and parents will control how their children are educated.

    Smoking in bars and restaurants has been gone long enough that it would be business death sentence if they started again? But if that's what you believe the general population wants...

    A private business will be able to offer both options. His clients will decide if market will support the business idea. Want to go to smoking business..go..want to go to a nonsmoking business..go. The business idea will succeed on the merits of the business plan..not government regulation. That is the great thing about freedom to choose and operate a business as you see fit.

    Also would like to know your parties policy on marijuana and what part the provincial government should play.

    Zero, let the free market run sales of MJ, LCBO and Beer stores
    Mark,
    In regards to Hydro, I am confident that the many people who borrowed money to install solar panels on their farms will test the “for convenience clause” through the courts. Do you honestly believe that they will just walk away quietly without a class action lawsuit, that might even make the gas plant scandal seem like a bargain.
    Remove all appointees from the OEB and corporations – how much will that cost to terminate contracts early? Who is going to replace them, are these going to be elected positions?
    Remove all carbon taxation from energy – does this include gasoline tax? (remember where most of the MTO funding come)
    Remove all time of use billing – ok, which rate are you going to make static on peak, mid peak, off peak?
    Initiate a debt retirement charge – so you are just playing a shell game with the hydro debt. No real change to what we have, just a different way of taking the same amount of money required to service the debt.
    In regards to Building Code – how many people do you think there are in Ontario that do not require mortgages and prefer to live in a home made of mud and sticks. It’s very hard to take your party serious if this is one of the issues that the people of Ontario are asking for in large enough volume that it is party of your election campaign.
    WSIB, if it’s broken, fix it, just don’t walk away from the working people who pay taxes to pay your MPP salary. The system does work for short term absences from work, I challenge you (because you are after my vote, not the other way around) that it doesn’t work for someone who may have sprained an ankle, while on the job etc (minor injuries) that would have made a huge difference when the rent came due and they didn’t get paid for 4 or 5 days
    Property rights – you didn’t answer my question about big game seals or hunting licences. Please answer the question. A simple yes or no will work. It will help me determine if you are in fact restoring my full property rights. Either I do own the land, birds, water and creatures on the land or I don’t.
    MPAC – You are still going to take a hissy fit, if they just sit at the road and guess at what the value of the home is if you don’t allow them on the property. You would have my attention if you changed your policy (but there may not be enough time for that before the election). Change it reflect land size / road frontage and if its vacant land or has buildings or not. That way you are paying the same amount for a 1 acre lot with your mud and stick home as I would pay for my 3000 sq ft custom built home with a paved driveway on a 1 acre lot next door. There should also be no premium put on waterfront homes.
    Conservation Authorities – please provide examples and context of when a conservation authority has stepped in an intervened with something that was doing no harm to the ecosystem.
    Reference to the Constitution – You have clearly identified that your party at a provincial level can’t do a damned thing about changing MPAC and Conservation Authorities because the constitution is Federal, not provincial.
    Provincial Debt Levels
    – when I said detail, I meant in $ . Reduction in bureaucracy eliminating many wasted jobs. How many are wasted and how much $ are you going to save us. Year by Year, how are you going to reduce the provincial debt. If you party is going to be taken serious, you need to provide some numbers (we have already seen what happens when a party leader claims “the books will balance themselves”
    Education – you say we would have the choice how education funding is spent for our kids. Awesome idea, I don’t have kids yet via municipal taxes I pay for education in two separate municipalities. Does this mean I won’t have to pay another nickel into education? How about senior citizens, will they be excluded too? Your party is going to cost young families a lot of money.
    Marijuana, LCBO, Beer Store – I agree let the free market run with it, you need to put that into your campaign that you will privatize LCBO, Beer Store is already privately owned, but has the convenience of a provincial government approved monopoly.
    You can either reply or not reply, it’s really not going to matter at this point. Your first series of answers have been enough for me to make an educated decision.
    Good luck in the election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushmoose View Post
    Ya, I feel the same. Basically their philosophy sounds like it's one big free-for-all?
    They are trying to build a Utopia with no unification, hoping everything would fall into place. they are very
    Dream along with them ??

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    Mark, I'm just curious. Are the Gumby cartoon characters in your profile pic, somehow connected to your libertarian affiliation? Help me out here please? You're asking people to vote for your party? You've told us some of the policies of your party? You do sound like you're sincere in your beliefs, but I just cant wrap my head around a grown man playing with Gumby cartoon toys and then expecting to be taken seriously?

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