New Tag format Next Year ?

[trimmer21]

If that's the system,then,it'll be like plugging leak in a dam as they appear. Entering the bar code number from a tag into the system will automatically cancel the tag. So,really,nothing has changed as far as poaching is concerned. Poachers will still poach.

[MikePal]

This is key, but will they may it mandatory?

Yes ..as I posted earlier, pretty much everything will have mandatory reporting now...

Or will they check at all? .....these tag changes and mandatory reporting will be meaningless...

Exactly...neither with the camp or in my solo hunting endeavors have I seen a CO in over 20 yrs...don't think this new system will make that happen any more often ..but you will want to do the reporting, no tag next year is a good incentive...LOL

[MikePal]

If that's the system,then,it'll be like plugging leak in a dam as they appear. Entering the bar code number from a tag into the system will automatically cancel the tag. So,really,nothing has changed as far as poaching is concerned. Poachers will still poach.

exactly.....but if the new system means I don't have to tag a deer I shot on my own property..it's 100% better.

[delmer]

exactly.....but if the new system means I don't have to tag a deer I shot on my own property..it's 100% better.

I'm left wondering why you think this is a significant improvement? It takes about a minute to notch and attach the seal to an animal. Just asking.

There are a couple things about the proposed system that I wonder about. Down here, for the controlled deer hunts, there has always been a requirement for mandatory reporting if you were selected in the draw, regardless of whether you participated. I know of guys that have hunted for years in these controlled seasons without ever submitting the mandatory report with no repercussions or enforcement. I wonder how serious the MNRF are about disqualifying individuals from future hunts if they don’t comply under the new system.

Secondly, it creates an opportunity for dishonest licensed hunters to continue hunting after shooting their first animal. For example, Jim Bob shoots a deer on opening day of gun season. He transports it to his place and butchers it up, without ever having to affix the seal, as per the proposed regs. A couple weeks later he has the itch to go bow hunting, and still has his seal, so he harvests another animal, transports it home, and butchers. He could go on repeating this scenario indefinitely, until one day gets stopped by a CO, produces his required licenses, and at which time his seal is scanned and becomes void for future use. At that point, Jim Bob decides he is done hunting for the year. Under the current system, your seal is affixed at the kill site, and the possibility of reusing it is close to zero. Not doing so will result in charges if stopped during transport. I just see this new system having the potential to be like having additional tags without the costs for some people.

[Fox]

Yes ..as I posted earlier, pretty much everything will have mandatory reporting now...



Exactly...neither with the camp or in my solo hunting endeavors have I seen a CO in over 20 yrs...don't think this new system will make that happen any more often ..but you will want to do the reporting, no tag next year is a good incentive...LOL

My wife and I are part of a controlled hunt as well, it has been mandatory for as long as I have been part of the hunt, no issues there.

Do you think there will be a limited time frame to call in a tagged animal or would it just be at the end of the year? I would like to see it called in within 24 hours, that sort of thing. If the CO stops you and you have not called it in then there better be a reason for it, remote hunting way up north would be a reason for that, most other areas are well within the ability to get to a phone.

[Quack_Kills]

Secondly, it creates an opportunity for dishonest licensed hunters to continue hunting after shooting their first animal. For example, Jim Bob shoots a deer on opening day of gun season. He transports it to his place and butchers it up, without ever having to affix the seal, as per the proposed regs. A couple weeks later he has the itch to go bow hunting, and still has his seal, so he harvests another animal, transports it home, and butchers. He could go on repeating this scenario indefinitely, until one day gets stopped by a CO, produces his required licenses, and at which time his seal is scanned and becomes void for future use. At that point, Jim Bob decides he is done hunting for the year. Under the current system, your seal is affixed at the kill site, and the possibility of reusing it is close to zero. Not doing so will result in charges if stopped during transport. I just see this new system having the potential to be like having additional tags without the costs for some people.

It makes no difference, Jim bob was already circumventing the system by not invalidating his tag at the kill site by notching the date and time. Weather its attached to the animal make no difference because the tag needs to be invalidated. Just like today, if you don't notch your tag, attaching it does nothing, for the current tie on tags you get from the store you just untie it and use it again. Its the notching that counts!

[MikePal]

I would like to see it called in within 24 hours, that sort of thing.

On the tags in the pic, Wisconsin requires it be called in by "5pm the day after the recovery"...

What is the purpose of pointing out how easy it will be to circumvent the system...if your going to poach..your not part of the system anyway. Will the new tags provide an easier way to poach than the last system...NO...just a different way a poacher will be able explode the privlage.

Seems like an excersise in futility to keep coming up with examples of how the new system will not stop poaching..poachers will poach.

[Fox]

On the tags in the pic, Wisconsin requires it be called in by "5pm the day after the recovery"...

What is the purpose of pointing out how easy it will be to circumvent the system...if your going to poach..your not part of the system anyway. Will the new tags provide an easier way to poach that the last system...NO...just a different way a poacher will be able explode the privlage.

Seems like an excersise in futility to keep coming up with examples of how the new system will not stop poaching..poachers will poach.

For me it is more an accurate way of managing the resource, poachers will still poach but making people call in and get a number or a check station, as is the case in Wisconsin, has proven to be a very good way to maintain accurate harvest numbers.

The system does not work at maintaining the resource, either a year or two too late in changing quotas or just wrong in the case of Moose.

[toddy]

I was thinking the same thing. I can see it,now. Poacher whacks a deer and gets it out without being seen.but,has a sheet in his pocket "just in case." Process the deer when he gets home and goes out again days later with the same sheet and does the same thing all over again. Downloading the license once to PDF satisfies the computer programming,but,once you have it, you can print off as many copies as needed. The chances of pinching a poacher,now,is slim to none. I guess that's just the ol'coppers coming out in us,eh,Gilroy?



Printers are cheap these days. Another $25 and you can buy your own printer.

how this any different then the way a poacher does it now. Has a tag, doesn't tag the animal, process animal. Go shoot another animal . . .

[delmer]

It makes no difference, Jim bob was already circumventing the system by not invalidating his tag at the kill site by notching the date and time. Weather its attached to the animal make no difference because the tag needs to be invalidated. Just like today, if you don't notch your tag, attaching it does nothing, for the current tie on tags you get from the store you just untie it and use it again. Its the notching that counts!

Good point. I overlooked the aspect of notching the tag. You still need to validate your kill on your tag. That being the case, then it won't matter whether it is affixed to the animal or in your pocket, it will need to be already notched if asked to be inspected. For some reason that totally slipped my mind.