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    I guess then we'd have to say goodbye to you, eh Joe? Haha

    I hope your MRI and operation that you've got coming up go well!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoePa View Post
    I know of no one that died because they couldn't get medical attention - I don't know where you got that from.
    That's because you either live in a made up reality or are naive.

    6 to 40% of claims (depends on the company) for treatment of chronic illness are denied.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blo...enied-coverage

    Took 10 seconds to find 100s of articles like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Species8472 View Post
    That's because you either live in a made up reality or are naive.

    6 to 40% of claims (depends on the company) for treatment of chronic illness are denied.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blo...enied-coverage

    Took 10 seconds to find 100s of articles like that.
    Maybe he just doesn't know a lot of people

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    Quote Originally Posted by Species8472 View Post
    That's because you either live in a made up reality or are naive.

    6 to 40% of claims (depends on the company) for treatment of chronic illness are denied.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blo...enied-coverage

    Took 10 seconds to find 100s of articles like that.
    One thing that you have to remember is , JOE does not want to read that type of information that puts the great? US of A in bad light

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    JP if you build a northern wall , it will not be to keep others out, but to keep your countrymen in.

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    Everybody who knows me knows I am for small government. Some things are too important and fundamental to privatize. Health care can be improved, mostly by cutting the layers of ineffective administration that sucks funding from front line care givers. My opinion of these workers is that they are probably the most dedicated and needed civil servants. There is room for private within the system ( which already exists ) but funding should always be covered by government.
    Not that different with Hydro. It needs to be government run but the layers of obscene salaries and bonuses by admin needs to be stopped. Doug will start the process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoePa View Post
    I pay something each month for the supplemental plan but most of this is paid by the place where I retired from
    It is lucky for you that you have benefits paid out after retirement, although you may not believe it that is not the norm. If you were a part time worker you would have no ability to even see the doctor let alone get treatment.

    I have a friend who is 21 and was really not feeling well, went to see the doctor and they found cancer, Hodgkin's disease, a University student with no money, trying to build up to a long career, if they were in the US system they would be given 1 of 2 options. Either no treatment and die or get treatment and be a slave for the rest of their lives to pay it off, what a great system they have there.

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    I am sorry if this sounds cruel or heartless, but there is an uncomfortable truth to this story.

    Medical treatments and life saving techniques have be come so much more advanced, that there are/will be hundreds of Alfie cases. In the past many cases like Alfie would not have lived long enough for anyone to have to make a decision to remove life support.
    We can keep people alive, but we can't "fix" them, and that creates a social and moral problem. How far will we go to simple keep someone alive just for them to be alive? How many "Christopher Pike"s will there be before we decide/realize we are only making people suffer more.

    Yes mrs 'insert your name' we can keep him alive for another 20 to 30 years, he will be safe and taken care of here in the bed for the next two to three decades, and you can visit and sit beside him any time you like. What kind of life will he have? Well not much, but at least he'll be alive.

    Hell no. Drag my butt out in the Bush pull the F'ing plug, and leave me to rot under a tree.
    Take the warning labels off. Darwin will solve the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fox View Post
    It is lucky for you that you have benefits paid out after retirement, although you may not believe it that is not the norm. If you were a part time worker you would have no ability to even see the doctor let alone get treatment.

    I have a friend who is 21 and was really not feeling well, went to see the doctor and they found cancer, Hodgkin's disease, a University student with no money, trying to build up to a long career, if they were in the US system they would be given 1 of 2 options. Either no treatment and die or get treatment and be a slave for the rest of their lives to pay it off, what a great system they have there.
    No, he applies for Medicaid and gets treated if he meets the criteria. Some states have better coverage and after checking if he will still have coverage and if he can, he moves. I worked for medical companies based in Canada and the US and in some areas the coverage is more comprehensive than our monkey's lunch, worse in other categories but it is there even with Obama's trying to muck it up.

    I did a quick look while finishing my coffee and there are some answers and ideas here.
    https://www.quora.com/I-have-been-di...are-my-options
    Last edited by mosquito; April 27th, 2018 at 08:20 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mosquito View Post
    No, he applies for Medicaid and gets treated if he meets the criteria. Some states have better coverage and after checking if he will still have coverage and if he can, he moves. I worked for medical companies based in Canada and the US and in some areas the coverage is more comprehensive than our monkey's lunch, worse in other categories but it is there even with Obama's trying to muck it up.

    I did a quick look while finishing my coffee and there are some answers and ideas here.
    https://www.quora.com/I-have-been-di...are-my-options
    So your answer is to move states? Making it easy on the sick eh.

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