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June 15th, 2018, 04:42 PM
#61
BC ignored the environmental approvals and flew the bird to the constitution and killed the West pipeline. Quebec killed the East one. Trump isn't the problem our own weak federal government will never risk Quebec seats by forcing a pipeline through.
I’m suspicious of people who don't like dogs, but I trust a dog who doesn't like a person.
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June 15th, 2018 04:42 PM
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June 16th, 2018, 03:33 AM
#62
Pretty much Terry.
For the most part, people get caught up in blaming who they don’t like. It’s natural.
It’s like Cons who blame McGuinty for the PS hiring spree (2003-2006). Without factoring the deep cuts to Nursing. But then the left blames Harris, without factoring Rae blah blah.
“Right now”...
Honestly JT I think is doing about as well as he can. Room to be better? Yep. But who here is perfect.
Just wish Canada, including the FEds would grow some for a change.........
JT made this bed, their inability to look beyond the end of their noses....
I know many thought Trump was fanatastic when he won...still feel the same way??????Who, didn’t see this coming????????
If this doesn’t end soon, the tit for tat we’re afraid to really fire back, could go on forever...Trumps more than just a littine insane..
Dairy?
Yep, our tarriffs are high. But it’s sucj a small amount. Many here in Canada disagree with supply management. However, Trumps blowing smoke. Funny, why doesn’t he mention the massive US subsidy. That allows dairy farmers in Wisconsin to produce, dirt cheap.....
These things are far from simple.
We live in the land of Oz. People live in La La land. Caught in consumerism and more. Fed steady diets of BS from all. From the L, the R, marketing, and more.
If we only had a spine.
Could we pipe to Superior, or “Hamilton” and then use tankers ( the cheapest way by far)..don’t know.
Who didn’t see the need in 2008 when the landscape changed...
Harper tried, failed some himself....why didn’t he push at least a line east through...
Anywho, everyone is afraid of the US. Except the Mideast. What really is Trump using for his leverage, to “bully”
The mighty US economy, consumerism.
Well grow some stones Canada. Not only could it do us a world of good in this changed landscape. We have cards to.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier.../#16e7d9cef4ae
Last edited by LoR; June 16th, 2018 at 03:37 AM.
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June 16th, 2018, 06:43 AM
#63
This war actually plays to both Trump and JT's base. Their supporters like what they see. But it shows both are dropping the ball. Protectionism will only shrink the US economy. Comfortable Americans want to buy BMW's, Hondas and cheap Chinese made electronics. If the tariffs raise prices too much not sure it will be replaced with higher priced US made alternatives. Off shore produced products still create employment through sales and distribution channels. It's not Chinese people who deliver and sell in NA. As for Trudough, the way he handled the pipeline problem is scary and shows he has no control domestically on areas he actually has jurisdiction on. Get the damned pipelines built, open deep sea ports to accommodate tankers and if supply management is going to end up costing billions then force an end to it on both sides. There will be casualties both political and employment wise but the advantages are there too on the larger scale.
I’m suspicious of people who don't like dogs, but I trust a dog who doesn't like a person.
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June 16th, 2018, 04:54 PM
#64
Has too much time on their hands
Originally Posted by
terrym
This war actually plays to both Trump and JT's base. Their supporters like what they see. But it shows both are dropping the ball. Protectionism will only shrink the US economy. Comfortable Americans want to buy BMW's, Hondas and cheap Chinese made electronics. If the tariffs raise prices too much not sure it will be replaced with higher priced US made alternatives. Off shore produced products still create employment through sales and distribution channels. It's not Chinese people who deliver and sell in NA. As for Trudough, the way he handled the pipeline problem is scary and shows he has no control domestically on areas he actually has jurisdiction on. Get the damned pipelines built, open deep sea ports to accommodate tankers and if supply management is going to end up costing billions then force an end to it on both sides. There will be casualties both political and employment wise but the advantages are there too on the larger scale.
.... I think the more this plays the more I agree with a business analyst on BNN the other day, the target isn't milk or even tariffs, Trump's target is the automotive industry. Adding tariffs on there would be the only way you could see alot of the automotive industry leave Canada and relocate to the US and once they did .... they wouldn't be coming back without a huge reason too. IF he is right... then Trudeau gave him just the excuse!
As for the pipelines ... if you want to kill the oil industry... he is doing a perfect job! The only pipeline that can get approval is one the gov't of Canada owns will kill investment in the extreme .... and even then it might not get done .... and that would not surprise me!
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June 17th, 2018, 07:59 AM
#65
Originally Posted by
mosquito
.... I think the more this plays the more I agree with a business analyst on BNN the other day, the target isn't milk or even tariffs, Trump's target is the automotive industry. Adding tariffs on there would be the only way you could see alot of the automotive industry leave Canada and relocate to the US and once they did .... they wouldn't be coming back without a huge reason too. IF he is right... then Trudeau gave him just the excuse!
As for the pipelines ... if you want to kill the oil industry... he is doing a perfect job! The only pipeline that can get approval is one the gov't of Canada owns will kill investment in the extreme .... and even then it might not get done .... and that would not surprise me!
With the low Can dollar, I can’t see industry moving south any time soon !
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June 17th, 2018, 09:00 AM
#66
Originally Posted by
rick_iles
With the low Can dollar, I can’t see industry moving south any time soon !
The dollar sets around 75 to 78 cents US. Add a 25 to 30% tariff and the cost is about equal.
Take the warning labels off. Darwin will solve the problem.
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June 17th, 2018, 09:15 AM
#67
If Trump wins and removes the auto sector it would definitely hurt many but eventually we can transition more to Japanese and European brands. Long term it would remove dependence on The USA and I sure wouldn't mind driving Toyota and Hondas. If I was Trudough I would immediately create an environment where these auto manufacturers could step in.
I’m suspicious of people who don't like dogs, but I trust a dog who doesn't like a person.
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June 17th, 2018, 10:40 AM
#68
The Canadian automotive industry is a mere shadow of what it used to be. Once we lost the US-Canada Auto Pact through the WTO when the Chretien Liberals failed to defend Canada's auto companies to external pressure,we were done like dinner. It's been a downhill slide ever since. Foreign automotive companies that still build vehicles in Canada will soon be the only game left. They have a large world-wide customer base unlike the domestics,so,any US tariffs could be quickly off-set by redirecting inventory away from the US should markets shrink,closing and moving American plants offshore. The Trump administration may have just shot themselves in the arse. Time will tell and it won't be long.
If a tree falls on your ex in the woods and nobody hears it,you should probably still get rid of your chainsaw. Just sayin'....
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June 17th, 2018, 11:17 AM
#69
Originally Posted by
terrym
If Trump wins and removes the auto sector it would definitely hurt many but eventually we can transition more to Japanese and European brands. Long term it would remove dependence on The USA and I sure wouldn't mind driving Toyota and Hondas. If I was Trudough I would immediately create an environment where these auto manufacturers could step in.
Hilux and LandCruisers. Only ones we need. I could be a little biased, but so what.
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Take the warning labels off. Darwin will solve the problem.
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June 17th, 2018, 11:41 AM
#70
Remember guys, there’s always different ways to look at things.
Many think tarriffs on Auto motive would be mutual self destruction. It’s not about what we can buy. As trimmer said it’s about industry and jobs....
Let’s not forget that the past X years has seen major shifts in investment capital to the US......already.
The combined weight I would think of
/hydro
/taxation
/ more
/25% hit on steel/Alum
/??% on automive
Will kill what what’s left of the working class.
Some analyst think there will be those companies like Magna that won’t flee. In part because it’s a big risk. They could spend billions for todays grass grass, but in 3 years time if/when Americans wake up and kick the madman out.........but then again...given Ontario’s hellhole..........
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