Some chatter on new gun bill

[jaycee]

Jooyoung Lee, an associate professor at the University of Toronto who specializes in examining gun violence, said findings from recent years show many guns used to commit crimes in Canada have originated within the country. If civilians are able to buy firearms legally, there is always the possibility they will enter an illegal market, Lee said.

Any time you have a legal market for civilians to own concealable firearms ... there is always a possibility that those kinds of firearms purchased legally can flow into the hands of people who want to use them to commit carnage," he said.

Another one that likes to hear himself speak or see his words in print, makes him feel important and to the ones lacking any knowledge on the subject , think he is an expert.

[terrym]

Toronto is going to be demanding gun bans from Trudough. Including semi autos. I expect Trudough to do exactly that.

[mosquito]

Toronto is going to be demanding gun bans from Trudough. Including semi autos. I expect Trudough to do exactly that.

Mayor John Tory voices support as council votes for city-wide ban on handguns
Council voted for a number of measures Tuesday evening to combat rise in gun violence
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...guns-1.4760358


Mayor John Tory has thrown his support behind a handgun ban in the city of Toronto, which council voted for by an overwhelming margin Tuesday evening.
Before the vote, Tory told CBC Toronto he supports the motion put forward by Coun. Joe Cressy, who represents Ward 20, Trinity-Spadina, calling on the federal and provincial governments to ban the sale of handguns and ammunition in the city.

"I will vote for the gun ban that has been put on the table because I can't imagine why anybody needs to have a gun in Toronto," said Tory in an interview with Dwight Drummond.



Council also approved a number of other motions, including:

• Approving funding for ShotSpotter technology, which uses microphones to detect gunfire and automatically informs police.
  
• Asking the province to fulfil its promise to provide $1.9 billion in funding for mental health supports and programs.
  
• Increasing funding for the Youth Equity Strategy by $2.6 million.
  
• Asking the chief coroner of Ontario to conduct inquests into all gun-violence deaths.
  
• Implementing a gun amnesty buyback program.
  
• Using funding from the city's reserve fund to immediately hire 100 new police officers.
  
• Investigating gun clubs and shooting ranges in the city to see if they are operating legally.
  
• Looking into the city acquiring and repurposing gun clubs for civic purposes.
  

Tory also put forward a motion calling on the federal government to strengthen existing laws against gun trafficking and said he supported stiffer sentences for firearms traffickers. That motion also passed.



Can you think of any more incompetent people than those working with Justin Trudeau and John Tory right now? Some of their ideas are in the spectrum of good to complete ridiculous .... simply put they have no clue on things like gangs, tougher penalties (opposite of C-75) and terrorism and will use a crime and tragedy to do what they want... not what is smart or right though!.

[greatwhite]

I doubt if his ban would stick as it cannot be enforced it is legal to own a handgun if you have an RPAL he cannot gain access to the restricted registry.

[Gun Nut]

The reality and spin are going full steam ..... some of the links in the Bill Blair thread show the complete delusional views and outright hatred of firearms ....

https://www.cp24.com/news/illegal-gu...-u-s-1.4025233

Registries are an answer, legal owners a problem .... that is what we will see no end of. I love articles like this .... according to the article the last couple years almost half are local sourced firearms used in crimes .... 49%.... 40% .... ????

"Illegal guns sourced in Canada surge compared to those smuggled from U.S.

You've heard me ask the question of why anybody would need to buy 10 or 20 guns, which they can lawfully do under the present laws," Tory said on Monday. "Why does anyone in this city need to have a gun at all?"

Jooyoung Lee, an associate professor at the University of Toronto who specializes in examining gun violence, said findings from recent years show many guns used to commit crimes in Canada have originated within the country. If civilians are able to buy firearms legally, there is always the possibility they will enter an illegal market, Lee said.

Any time you have a legal market for civilians to own concealable firearms ... there is always a possibility that those kinds of firearms purchased legally can flow into the hands of people who want to use them to commit carnage," he said.




Liberal solution.. registries, lower sentences for criminals (C-75), bans and rules for legal owners .....

Domestic firearms creating a problem is my puzzlement. Especially if they are handguns, which are still registered and have to go through the transfer process where both the original owner is known and the purchaser is vetted. Ok, a legal owner could sell a gun to a gang member, and get his backside out of sling by reporting it stolen. Understandably he might get away with this once, but shouldn’t it raise a few red flag if they attempt to do it multiple times? To me, if something like this happening multiple times wouldn't be a clear indication that the individual is in the business of trafficking. If the system can’t pick something like this up, its administration needs to be address and tighten up, and the full force of the law should come to bear upon the individuals caught involved.


You don’t stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

[trimmer21]

Domestic firearms creating a problem is my puzzlement. Especially if they are handguns, which are still registered and have to go through the transfer process where both the original owner is known and the purchaser is vetted. Ok, a legal owner could sell a gun to a gang member, and get his backside out of sling by reporting it stolen. Understandably he might get away with this once, but shouldn’t it raise a few red flag if they attempt to do it multiple times? To me, if something like this happening multiple times wouldn't be a clear indication that the individual is in the business of trafficking. If the system can’t pick something like this up, its administration needs to be address and tighten up, and the full force of the law should come to bear upon the individuals caught involved.


You don’t stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

That's exactly why I'm having a tough time understanding how those claims of "domestically sourced" firearms being diverted by lawful owners can be even partly accurate,simply because of the paper chase involved. If the claims can be substantiated (other than a one-of occurrence) ,then,that would be proof positive in glaring detail,that the premise of the entire gun registry system is a complete sham. The Liberals would certainly be caught between a rock and a hard place,then,wouldn't they?

[mosquito]

Tory and the city are calling on the Feds to take action and bans...

ISIL is claiming him as one of theirs.
https://www.680news.com/2018/07/25/i...th-shooting-2/

We have a press release from the family .... that seems to be questionable at best or complete fiction.
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/07/t...im-brotherhood

Claims about the murderer being known to police and intelligence .... possibly pure b.s.

Goodale claiming there were plans in the works for a cracks down .... were they waiting for something (crime/terrorism/closer to election...)

..... alot of questions but who to believe ..... we can trust CBC for the Libs agenda which is to win the election so that rules them out on trust .... much of the media is pro M-103 and anti-firearm or just plain liars .... rules them out.
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...ster-says.html


I guess Brian Lilley and Ezra Levant will cover it in more detail as usual.

Brian
No, 50% of guns used in crime are not from Canada
http://brianlilley.com/no-50-of-guns...t-from-canada/
"Young obtained the document through Access to Information and posted it to his website. At the bottom of page 17 you see this nugget about guns seized in Western Canada.

So this is about a small subset of guns seized in Western Canada. Of 783 trace requests, just 229 could be traced and 50% of those traced were domestically sourced.

That does not equal 50% of all guns used in crime in Canada."

So 229*.48 ...so 110 out of 783 .... and the media and John Tory say 50%?????.

Latest twitter from Ezra...
https://twitter.com/ezralevant/statu...84588053712896
Faisal Hussain's brother Fahad is a drug dealer. His friend Maisum Ansari was arrested for 337 firearms related charges. But pay no attention to that. The CBC says he had a "million dollar smile" and was "humble and polite". Ignore this whole ISIS thing.

[Gun Nut]

Tory and the city are calling on the Feds to take action and bans...

ISIL is claiming him as one of theirs.
https://www.680news.com/2018/07/25/i...th-shooting-2/

We have a press release from the family .... that seems to be questionable at best or complete fiction.
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/07/t...im-brotherhood

Claims about the murderer being known to police and intelligence .... possibly pure b.s.

Goodale claiming there were plans in the works for a cracks down .... were they waiting for something (crime/terrorism/closer to election...)

..... alot of questions but who to believe ..... we can trust CBC for the Libs agenda which is to win the election so that rules them out on trust .... much of the media is pro M-103 and anti-firearm or just plain liars .... rules them out.
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...ster-says.html


I guess Brian Lilley and Ezra Levant will cover it in more detail as usual.

Brian
No, 50% of guns used in crime are not from Canada
http://brianlilley.com/no-50-of-guns...t-from-canada/
"Young obtained the document through Access to Information and posted it to his website. At the bottom of page 17 you see this nugget about guns seized in Western Canada.

So this is about a small subset of guns seized in Western Canada. Of 783 trace requests, just 229 could be traced and 50% of those traced were domestically sourced.

That does not equal 50% of all guns used in crime in Canada."

So 229*.48 ...so 110 out of 783 .... and the media and John Tory say 50%?????.

Latest twitter from Ezra...
https://twitter.com/ezralevant/statu...84588053712896
Faisal Hussain's brother Fahad is a drug dealer. His friend Maisum Ansari was arrested for 337 firearms related charges. But pay no attention to that. The CBC says he had a "million dollar smile" and was "humble and polite". Ignore this whole ISIS thing.

You would think, by now, that a number of the individuals behind these episodes of domestic firearm being sold to criminals would be in jail serving time. According to the firearm act, trafficking in firearms can net you a pretty impressive sentence. My puzzlement is why are we hearing about these cases in the news. That would send the message, publicly, to those involved in such trafficking, that this type of activity will not be tolerated.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

[rick_iles]

That's exactly why I'm having a tough time understanding how those claims of "domestically sourced" firearms being diverted by lawful owners can be even partly accurate,simply because of the paper chase involved. If the claims can be substantiated (other than a one-of occurrence) ,then,that would be proof positive in glaring detail,that the premise of the entire gun registry system is a complete sham. The Liberals would certainly be caught between a rock and a hard place,then,wouldn't they?

Yea, I call Bullshyt on that one as well. Once again, they will attack the lowhanging fruit.....the legal gun owners! While they are at it, they should make murder illegal as well....wait a minute !!!!!

Edit: Now they are saying the gun belonged to Hussein’s drug trafficker brother, who is now in a coma from a drug overdose. The gun was an illegally imported firearm from the States......go figure!
All the laws are in place to deal with this sort of thing.....they worked well, didn’t they !!

[mosquito]

Yea, I call Bullshyt on that one as well. Once again, they will attack the lowhanging fruit.....the legal gun owners! While they are at it, they should make murder illegal as well....wait a minute !!!!!

Edit: Now they are saying the gun belonged to Hussein’s drug trafficker brother, who is now in a coma from a drug overdose. The gun was an illegally imported firearm from the States......go figure!
All the laws are in place to deal with this sort of thing.....they worked well, didn’t they !!

Yep ... the ideologue Mayor keeps spouting ignorance...

and Goodale is right in there too....
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...-goodale-says/
Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale says there is no known connection between the Toronto shooting suspect and national security concerns, and that the Trudeau government is prepared to consider a proposal to ban handguns.
...
In May, the president of Quebec City's Centre culturel Islamique de Québec appealed to a parliamentary committee to include a ban on assault weapons in proposed gun-control legislation.


Sounds like the Toronto Star article saying ban semi's and sniper rifles .....


I will give credit where it is due, Brian and Ezra actually looking at reality and even CTV seems fairly reliable.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/toront...urce-1.4027129

Actually telling the truth on most of the story... like the fact a city ban would be a bylaw.... still a few ignorant comments but in general a very well covered. The lie about the 50% local supplied was still put forward. The fact cigarettes and guns are still smuggled so more laws on legal owners is useless .... good they are in the few that bring up the reality!