Some chatter on new gun bill

[jaycee]

The latest on Gun Control from Ralph Goodale, "Banning Handguns in Toronto " would take considerable time as it would necessitate the reworking/rewording of The Criminal Code .

[rossh]

Goodales title should be “BANNING LEGAL HANDGUNS IN TORONTO “
You can ‘t ban illegal ones twice there already banned .

[Gun Nut]

The latest on Gun Control from Ralph Goodale, "Banning Handguns in Toronto " would take considerable time as it would necessitate the reworking/rewording of The Criminal Code .

How is it, they felt they could better undermined the underground trafficking of marijuana by decriminalizing it, and legalizing its use, while they seem to be going in just the opposite direction with firearms. By adding ever increasing layers of gun-control, the underground trafficking of guns appears to be escalating, not abating. You would have thought by now they might have come to the realization, that by continuing to suppress firearms, that they might just be moving in the wrong direction. After all they’ve done a complete turn about with marijuana. Perhaps they’re waiting to see how that turns out before they make any further reverses. LOL


You don’t stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

[rick_iles]

How is it, they felt they could better undermined the underground trafficking of marijuana by decriminalizing it, and legalizing its use, while they seem to be going in just the opposite direction with firearms. By adding ever increasing layers of gun-control, the underground trafficking of guns appears to be escalating, not abating. You would have thought by now they might have come to the realization, that by continuing to suppress firearms, that they might just be moving in the wrong direction. After all they’ve done a complete turn about with marijuana. Perhaps they’re waiting to see how that turns out before they make any further reverses. LOL


You don’t stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

That will never happen.....simply put, they’ll tax the Heii out of weed.....

[Gilroy]

Thirty five year ago or so when I started in law enforcement in Toronto crazy people were locked up at 1001 Queen Street West in the Queen Street mental health hospital.

Some where along the next few years the Government decided that it would be better not to keep crazy people in a locked hospital but better for them to be let go and wonder the street,s and they would simply take their med,s and everything would be OK.

Well it was not OK because most of these poor souls ended up in the poor neighborhoods, sometimes selling their med,s or losing them and or also taking street drugs.

The end result is that the Police had to deal with them and over the years many more Police got injured and many more mentally ill got killed.

This Danforth shooter 35 years ago would probably never have gotten out of Queen Street Mental Hospital.

Nobody in the press is pointing a finger at any level of government for changing this policy and the street of Toronto are full of mentally ill people.

In a very sad way it might be a blessing for this to have occurred,because the general public might waken up and ask WHY THESE PEOPLE ARE WALKING OUR STREETS.

Unfortunately the talking heads are now focusing their attention on all the wrong direction.Mayor Tory (Conservative,should know better) think,s a ban would be good.
There is basically a ban already for the good guys and none for the bad guys,how hard is that to figure out.

The pro gun side should really be careful who is talking for them,last night I watched Wendy Cukier on CBC debating another lady and basically wiped the floor with her.The pro gun lady had all her facts and figures wrong and got completely muddled when trying to explain her position.

None of this is going to get any better, the new officers are doing little to nothing in a pro active fashion now that carding is basically banned.Most of them would not even know what to do in any event as they are not properly trained.

All I can say lads/ladies is hold onto your hats and Politicians are again looking for simplistic solutions to long standing problems that were caused by them in the first place.

[trimmer21]

Thirty five year ago or so when I started in law enforcement in Toronto crazy people were locked up at 1001 Queen Street West in the Queen Street mental health hospital.

Some where along the next few years the Government decided that it would be better not to keep crazy people in a locked hospital but better for them to be let go and wonder the street,s and they would simply take their med,s and everything would be OK.

Well it was not OK because most of these poor souls ended up in the poor neighborhoods, sometimes selling their med,s or losing them and or also taking street drugs.

The end result is that the Police had to deal with them and over the years many more Police got injured and many more mentally ill got killed.

This Danforth shooter 35 years ago would probably never have gotten out of Queen Street Mental Hospital.

Nobody in the press is pointing a finger at any level of government for changing this policy and the street of Toronto are full of mentally ill people.

In a very sad way it might be a blessing for this to have occurred,because the general public might waken up and ask WHY THESE PEOPLE ARE WALKING OUR STREETS.

Unfortunately the talking heads are now focusing their attention on all the wrong direction.Mayor Tory (Conservative,should know better) think,s a ban would be good.
There is basically a ban already for the good guys and none for the bad guys,how hard is that to figure out.

The pro gun side should really be careful who is talking for them,last night I watched Wendy Cukier on CBC debating another lady and basically wiped the floor with her.The pro gun lady had all her facts and figures wrong and got completely muddled when trying to explain her position.

None of this is going to get any better, the new officers are doing little to nothing in a pro active fashion now that carding is basically banned.Most of them would not even know what to do in any event as they are not properly trained.

All I can say lads/ladies is hold onto your hats and Politicians are again looking for simplistic solutions to long standing problems that were caused by them in the first place.

I remember those days well. We often wondered if we should trade our blues for white coats and nets after the Mental Health Act was amended. I noticed that the only other person to mention this while doing a media interview was Bill Blair. I bet he was clued in to not mention that again,too.

[LoR]

Well given that thing some said would never come to pass has and the call to ban all but single action bolt rifles is official.

At what point do people start pointing fingers where they should.

At the brass, politicians and yes Leo.

Whether guns are being smuggled in from the US or as they claim in an effort to deflect from their failings, an upswing in domestic sources.

Bottom line.
More illegal guns, more black market, more illegal activity. No way to mince words. They are failing, not doing

Their jobs.....

If it’s a question of manpower, or resources. That’s the brass not

Doing their jobs...

If it’s a question of beat cops not knowing who the gang bangers, gun runners are.

Do a Fn better job....

If the intelligence services can’t find out whose running guns...do a better job.....

If they can’t stem illegal aliens at the border, how many guns get past them. That’s border services. Do a better job...

Etc etc

Time for the kid gloves to come off....on both fronts imo

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.thes...ol-debate.html

[Gun Nut]

Well given that thing some said would never come to pass has and the call to ban all but single action bolt rifles is official.

At what point do people start pointing fingers where they should.

At the brass, politicians and yes Leo.

Whether guns are being smuggled in from the US or as they claim in an effort to deflect from their failings, an upswing in domestic sources.

Bottom line.
More illegal guns, more black market, more illegal activity. No way to mince words. They are failing, not doing

Their jobs.....

If it’s a question of manpower, or resources. That’s the brass not

Doing their jobs...

If it’s a question of beat cops not knowing who the gang bangers, gun runners are.

Do a Fn better job....

If the intelligence services can’t find out whose running guns...do a better job.....

If they can’t stem illegal aliens at the border, how many guns get past them. That’s border services. Do a better job...

Etc etc

Time for the kid gloves to come off....on both fronts imo

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.thes...ol-debate.html

It is pretty clear from the American experience that gun free zone don't work. If anything they act as a magnet that attracts violent behaviour. They are areas in which shooters have no fear of encounter any armed resistance. It is not the case that a gun has to be brought into use in order to act as a deterrent, it enough that it is presence and could be brought into play should the circumstance warrant it. Having gun owners scattered amongst non-gun owners gives criminals something to worry and think about. If you take that away, you would just be begging for an escalation in gun violence.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

[LoR]

That can be viewed a couple ways (most things can). Take Chicago for example. Pro gun, and the far pro gun (nra), will point at Chicago as the prime example of and argument against gun control.

Yet don’t pause long enough to say, or think to ask the question...How bad would things be there if there were no controls..........

Flip side.
Take many Antis, they do no different. They will point at Australia as a model of Success following their “ban”. But they don’t long enough to think, or simply look at a globe and see that it’s an Island...............in the middle of no-where......and certainly not sharing a border, with the US.......

The problem here is criminals. Whether it’s gang bangers shooting each other and the odd bystander. Whether it’s bangers with drug money, wanting to buy illegal guns to shoot each other with regardless of the source ( domestic or smuggled over the Swiss cheese border), or the numerous organized crime organizations from bikers to somali, Italian, Russian, other.....who see big money in selling guns...to bangers, Ex husbands with bad blood, teens, and mentally unstable Hussein’s....

And that all, is on the various branches of law enforcement, Justice, intelligence. They, yes they, aren’t doing their jobs.....or a good one anyways.

Odd

[terrym]

Trudough will use this to ban handguns and semiautomatic long guns. I bet over half the population would approve.