Some chatter on new gun bill

[terrym]

I suspect he won't get a ban through before the next election, but if re-elected I will guarantee the Liberals will ban all; military style guns and all handguns with no buy back.

I agree. Likely won't campaign on it as it would be very risky out West. Even if most don't own handguns it will be seen as the beginning of the end of legal firearms ownership. If the imbecil gets reelected with a majority we're done.

[trky chsr]

Too bad they can't get it through their skulls that all guns are already banned in Canada.

[welsh]

Nothing new here. The Libs already said, several times, that they would look at a ban. All this does is hand the hot potato to Blair.

There will be no ban before the 2019 election. They will need to examine what they can do, then analyze the existing law and draft a new bill, then get the bill through parliament ... this is not going to be done by next fall.

Re all the catastrophizing, read between the lines. The Liberals have been pragmatic and slow to move on gun control; the bill they introduced minimally covered their election promises; they promised to look at a handgun ban in terms of "effectiveness and fairness"; and they handed the mandate to the minister responsible for organized crime, not the public safety minister.

Blair himself is on record saying he is unsure what can really be done about guns on the supply side (i.e. control). He hasn't said anything in years suggesting he thinks a ban is practical.

I've been told that the Liberals are focused on handguns and are not considering long gun measures. They are also looking for measures short of a full ban, with an emphasis on effectiveness.

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[greatwhite]

he won't need to campaign on it, he will claim he has a mandate because he had mentioned it in the past.

I was thinking of buying a 9mm for my son but I have pretty much decided not to because by the time he is 18 they will be banned. Will get by with the 22 pistol I guess.

I agree. Likely won't campaign on it as it would be very risky out West. Even if most don't own handguns it will be seen as the beginning of the end of legal firearms ownership. If the imbecil gets reelected with a majority we're done.

[welsh]

With ~80% support for a handgun ban and Scheer on record wanting to roll back gun control, the Libs would be brain dead not to campaign on whatever they decide to do.

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[greatwhite]

I disagree, I think the Liberals are still leery of the the firearm community. They won't campaign on it very hard if at all, but they will later claim they still had a mandate. Scheer could state he is going to go strongly after gang bangers and anyone who use a firearm for criminal activity. He just needs to frame it differently than Harper did.

With ~80% support for a handgun ban and Scheer on record wanting to roll back gun control, the Libs would be brain dead not to campaign on whatever they decide to do.

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[mosquito]

I disagree, I think the Liberals are still leery of the the firearm community. They won't campaign on it very hard if at all, but they will later claim they still had a mandate. Scheer could state he is going to go strongly after gang bangers and anyone who use a firearm for criminal activity. He just needs to frame it differently than Harper did.

I would personally expect them to try and use it to win the election... I expect that they probably will pass it and hype "we DID it for a SAFER Canada" .... this spun right (Think $100,000,000 / MONTH on CBC etc.) and with enough lies they could win the election on this division. After all this is the usual Lib tactic to spin, to lie and to rant and create fear and division. The usual blame the legal owner and fear mongering can be spun enough to get them the votes... I mean just look at the ignorance out there on firearms and their willingness to lie.... they finally took the lies down off the liberal.ca page on the ATT but they have displayed their willingness to lie.

[terrym]

Judges won't support it. Welsh is right, there aren't enough licensed handgun owners to beat out the antis. And the few who do exist are spread out so don't even count. This battle will be played out in the media and most are anti gun.

[greatwhite]

Trudeau doesn't really need to use it to win, it's a good bet he will win. Most Prime Minister stay for two rounds before the country kicks them out.

[Gun Nut]

So suppose the ban happens. Afterwards there is a mass shooting. What are they going to do then, to convince the public that they can make them safe through passing more gun control legislation, when there is nothing left to do.. Gun control is a political tool that has been used to convince society that politicians can make them safe through the use of laws and order. It garners votes. When the public find out, that they have been hoodwinked and lied to, their trust in politicians and the system will again suffer yet another blow. I can’t image the Liberals are that stupid, to use up their gun control promotion. How will they then deal with the societal panic, when there is nothing left to be done to ensure public safety. Ralph has already made the point there is nothing that can be done to prevent the actions of a lone wolf, so he is well aware that any level of gun control is useless. Canada is not like either the U.K. or Australia, which are islands, we live next door to the greatest gun repository in the world, with a perfect permeable border, especially when it comes to gun trafficking. Blair is to investigate a gun ban, but see it for what it is a stall tactic. Wanting to be seen to be doing something, when there is nothing that can possibly be done.

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