It Happened Again!

[trimmer21]

[QUOTE=Bowjob;1089047]

We don't understand the US Constitution because we're not part of the patriotic system of freedom and liberty that Americans know and love. Canadians haven't a clue because we're a nation that expects the government to look after us from the cradle to the grave never needing to sacrifice for freedom like Americans have. Americans know that freedom isn't free,a concept completely lost on the current generations of Canadians.

i still dont agree.

i have a few friends that came to Canada from the states and they also agree with what i said and they did own multiple guns in the states at one time. one of them was actually in the military for a while and is no longer there. hes moved to BC now.

im pretty sure every nation "expects" the government to look after them. as for not understanding the US Constitution because we're not part of the patriotic system of freedom and liberty that Americans know and love, how about the Americans that agree with my statement? because they're are a lot of them.

As for "land of the free" America is probably at the bottom of the list there. the World Prison Brief's data put the U.S. incarceration rate at 655 inmates per 100,000 people, which is nearly 7% higher than the rate of the next-closest country, El Salvador.

As for Gun Deaths.
The top six’s gun death tolls for 2016: Brazil was 43,200, the US 37,200, Mexico 15,400, Colombia 13,300, Venezuela 12,800, and Guatemala 5,090. Collectively, these countries made up less than 10 percent of the global population but 50.5 percent of the world’s gun deaths, the study found....... this was in 2016.

( yes this does include suicides as well.)

imagine a town with a population of 37,200 people getting wiped out every year.
The U.S. gun homicide rate is 25 times that of other high-income countries.

bottom line is guns in the states are way to accessible.

Your "statistics" don't jive with current FBI data. You really need to compare apples to apples by demographic to get an accurate picture. I know there's American ex-pats who immigrated to Canada over many decades including draft dodgers and/or conscientious objectors during the Viet Nam war,many of whom I worked with in the auto industry. I noticed and was told by many of them that they wish they had stayed and toughed it out. Giving up their American citizenship has caused them great personal angst. Many are afraid to return home even for a visit even though a general amnesty was granted,but,they must still enter the "system" to be granted that amnesty. They don't trust that there still won't be ramifications should they decide to do that,so,they remain here. The american penal system is really out-of-whack. They incarcerate people for what we call minor crimes such as simple possession of a Marijuana. In most states,that trend is reversing,but,certainly not enough to accurately affect statistics which are greatly skewed.
I'm the only Canadian in an American big "R" republican,big "M" military family. I know and have seen first hand what treatment people receive who bad mouth their country,something we never or rarely see in this country. Draft dodgers need to stay here....not that we wanted them,in the first place.

[jaycee]

gun free zone again created by a Federal Law.

The Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990 was originally passed as section 1702 of the Crime Control Act of 1990. It added 18 U.S.C. § 922(q); 18 U.S.C.§ 922 itself was added by the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968.

But some States allow guns ;

Michigan Senate OKs concealed pistol carry in schools, churches, day care centers
Paul Egan, Detroit Free Press Published 3:51 p.m. ET Nov. 8, 2017 | Updated 12:27 p.m. ET Nov. 9, 2017

[COLOR=#6E6E6E]Members of the Virginia Citizens Defense League gather in July 2010 to celebrate a new law permitting open carry of guns in bars. (Dayna Smith/For The Washington Post)

[COLOR=#111111]6. Guns at schools: In 2010, Kansas passed a law allowing the concealed carry of guns in K-12 schools, in violation of the federal Gun-Free School Zones Act, which criminalizing the carrying of firearms in specified school zones. That act was ruled unconstitutional in U.S. v. Lopez as exceeding the federal government's powers under the Commerce Clause, and a revised statute was passed that limits the ban to guns "involved in interstate commerce," so it is possible that the Kansas statute does not run afoul of federal law in all cases.
[COLOR=#111111]This past week, Michigan followed suit, with state legislators passing a law allowing concealed carry in schools, bars, daycare centers and churches. Gov. Rick Snyder (R) has not signed the bill into law, and its ultimate passage is now in doubt due to the Newtown incident.

[Snowwalker]

The Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990 was originally passed as section 1702 of the Crime Control Act of 1990. It added 18 U.S.C. § 922(q); 18 U.S.C.§ 922 itself was added by the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968.

But some States allow guns ;

Michigan Senate OKs concealed pistol carry in schools, churches, day care centers
Paul Egan, Detroit Free Press Published 3:51 p.m. ET Nov. 8, 2017 | Updated 12:27 p.m. ET Nov. 9, 2017

[COLOR=#6E6E6E]Members of the Virginia Citizens Defense League gather in July 2010 to celebrate a new law permitting open carry of guns in bars. (Dayna Smith/For The Washington Post)

[COLOR=#111111]6. Guns at schools: In 2010, Kansas passed a law allowing the concealed carry of guns in K-12 schools, in violation of the federal Gun-Free School Zones Act, which criminalizing the carrying of firearms in specified school zones. That act was ruled unconstitutional in U.S. v. Lopez as exceeding the federal government's powers under the Commerce Clause, and a revised statute was passed that limits the ban to guns "involved in interstate commerce," so it is possible that the Kansas statute does not run afoul of federal law in all cases.
[COLOR=#111111]This past week, Michigan followed suit, with state legislators passing a law allowing concealed carry in schools, bars, daycare centers and churches. Gov. Rick Snyder (R) has not signed the bill into law, and its ultimate passage is now in doubt due to the Newtown incident.

Yes some states are basically telling the feds to stuff it. Although only time will tell if it does any good.

[glen]

Mental illness?

[trimmer21]

Mental illness?

Without doubt. Anyone who would do something like that is certifiably nuts. The common denominator in every one of these acts is that many people knew beforehand that the shooters were unbalanced,had access to firearms or explosives and were planning their attack,but,failed to notify the proper authorities,although,even if Police knew that something was coming,under the current laws,they're virtually powerless to act under the US Constitution until something bad happens. That MUST change. A Federal "Red Flag" law needs to be enacted much the same as what we have here,although,that's not what we call it.
Our Attorney General needs to send a copy of our licensing and oversight system to their AG. It's not perfect,but,it works well for the most part and it's a damn sight better than what they have,now.

[jaycee]

Without doubt. Anyone who would do something like that is certifiably nuts. The common denominator in every one of these acts is that many people knew beforehand that the shooters were unbalanced,had access to firearms or explosives and were planning their attack,but,failed to notify the proper authorities,although,even if Police knew that something was coming,under the current laws,they're virtually powerless to act under the US Constitution until something bad happens. That MUST change. A Federal "Red Flag" law needs to be enacted much the same as what we have here,although,that's not what we call it.
Our Attorney General needs to send a copy of our licensing and oversight system to their AG. It's not perfect,but,it works well for the most part and it's a damn sight better than what they have,now.

I think the U.S. authority's are very well aware of our system, the one big problem down there is , that they have a very big/strong and vocal lobbying group in the N.R.A.
Also they have their second amendment.

[Snowwalker]

I think the U.S. authority's are very well aware of our system, the one big problem down there is , that they have a very big/strong and vocal lobbying group in the N.R.A.
Also they have their second amendment.

The NRA, Gun Owners and others aren't/would not be opposed to a system like we have. You can see the look of envy on their faces when I tell them I can simple walk in and buy as many guns as I can afford for five years and not have to do a back ground check for it.

[trimmer21]

I think the U.S. authority's are very well aware of our system, the one big problem down there is , that they have a very big/strong and vocal lobbying group in the N.R.A.
Also they have their second amendment.

They could have a system exactly like ours without interfering with their Second Amendment.

The NRA, Gun Owners and others aren't/would not be opposed to a system like we have. You can see the look of envy on their faces when I tell them I can simple walk in and buy as many guns as I can afford for five years and not have to do a back ground check for it.

I wish we had lobby groups that could strike terror into the hearts of politicians whose sole motivation once they're elected is to get re-elected.The NRA and GOA simply wrap themselves in Old Glory and paint opposing politicians as the cadres of communism and it works,too,given the American level of patriotism. In Canada,because we're only a hop,skip and jump from full blown socialism (communism lite) at any given time,patriotism on the American level isn't and never has been a "thing."

[jaycee]

The NRA, Gun Owners and others aren't/would not be opposed to a system like we have. You can see the look of envy on their faces when I tell them I can simple walk in and buy as many guns as I can afford for five years and not have to do a back ground check for it.

You have already gone through a back ground check when you applied for your PAL, you also go through a check when you renew!
You didn't tell them that without a valid PAL, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BUY ANY GUNS LEGALLY.

Re the NRA, why this ?;

NRA spent $1.6 million lobbying against background check expansion laws in months leading up to latest mass shootings
PUBLISHED AN HOUR AGO UPDATED AN HOUR AGO

[Snowwalker]

You have already gone through a back ground check when you applied for your PAL, you also go through a check when you renew!
You didn't tell them that without a valid PAL, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BUY ANY GUNS LEGALLY.

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