What if You Were Warden?: Investigating Deer Hunters

[rick_iles]

[QUOTE=trimmer21;1101019]FWCA Sect 75 "Use prohibited shot while hunting big game" should answer the question. The set fine is $300.[

Here we go again!!!!!

[/75 - O.Reg 665/98

Use prohibited shot when hunting big game

Set Fine: $300.00

Total Payable: $365.00

A person shall not use a rifle known as a rim-fire rifle, a shotgun smaller than 20 gauge when loaded with shot or any shotgun loaded with shot smaller than SG or number one buck for hunting big game.

[gbk]

FWCA Sect 75 "Use prohibited shot while hunting big game" should answer the question. The set fine is $300.

Thanx Trimmer,so there is the answer for the set fine.
He got off "cheaper" there..............

[gbk]

[QUOTE=rick_iles;1101020]

FWCA Sect 75 "Use prohibited shot while hunting big game" should answer the question. The set fine is $300.[

Here we go again!!!!!

[/75 - O.Reg 665/98

Use prohibited shot when hunting big game

Set Fine: $300.00

Total Payable: $365.00

A person shall not use a rifle known as a rim-fire rifle, a shotgun smaller than 20 gauge when loaded with shot or any shotgun loaded with shot smaller than SG or number one buck for hunting big game.

Thanx Rick-so with the surcharge, he would be having a hefty lessons learned.

[FishHog]

so all the guys that hunt with a double barrel rifle/shotgun with bird shot in the shot barrel are breaking the law in Ontario? I don't buy it. If you have a licence to hunt small game (say grouse) and deer licence I have and will continue to hunt for grouse and deer at the same time. I don't think a CO would argue that you were deer hunting with 7.5 shot if he checked and you had slugs and shot.

Might be a good question for a CO to clarify, but it might be one of those grey areas that are open to CO interpretation. I'll take my chances as I don't believe there is anything wrong with that and feel confident that a CO would agree

[gbk]

so all the guys that hunt with a double barrel rifle/shotgun with bird shot in the shot barrel are breaking the law in Ontario? I don't buy it. If you have a licence to hunt small game (say grouse) and deer licence I have and will continue to hunt for grouse and deer at the same time. I don't think a CO would argue that you were deer hunting with 7.5 shot if he checked and you had slugs and shot.

Might be a good question for a CO to clarify, but it might be one of those grey areas that are open to CO interpretation. I'll take my chances as I don't believe there is anything wrong with that and feel confident that a CO would agree

In the case You mentioned , if You are hunting with a selective fire capable shotgun(ie side by side or an over and under)where You can select the barell to discharge,likely you will be ok.

However the video showed a semi auto shotgun chambered with a slug,then a birdshot.
If the guys is bird hunting(as stated in the video)-why have the first shot to be a slug???Then a deer call in his neck to boot.

In your case ,what the CO's answer would be,only the CO would tell.

[FishHog]

I get that in his case he was guilty. The conservation changed to if he was in Ontario would there be charges and I don’t think so. Semi or not. Easy to eject a slug then shoot a bird

[jaycee]

[QUOTE=FishHog;1101055]I get that in his case he was guilty. The conservation changed to if he was in Ontario would there be charges and I don’t think so. Semi or not. Easy to eject a slug then shoot a bird[/QUOTE]

You would have to be the fastest man on earth to eject a slug and shoot a grouse that took to wing , that ! I /we would really like to see.

[FishHog]

[QUOTE=jaycee;1101079]

I get that in his case he was guilty. The conservation changed to if he was in Ontario would there be charges and I don’t think so. Semi or not. Easy to eject a slug then shoot a bird[/QUOTE]

You would have to be the fastest man on earth to eject a slug and shoot a grouse that took to wing , that ! I /we would really like to see.

Who said I was shooting the ones that flew. Have you never seen one before it took off?

[Sam Menard]

In the case You mentioned , if You are hunting with a selective fire capable shotgun(ie side by side or an over and under)where You can select the barell to discharge,likely you will be ok.However the video showed a semi auto shotgun chambered with a slug,then a birdshot.If the guys is bird hunting(as stated in the video)-why have the first shot to be a slug???Then a deer call in his neck to boot.In your case ,what the CO's answer would be,only the CO would tell.

Go back and read the regulation: “ A person shall not use... any shotgun loaded with shot smaller than SG or number one buck for hunting big game.” If it was deer season and you had a valid licence and had a slug in the barrel, and in an area where deer might reasonably be found, then that is “prima facie” (clear on its face) evidence that you are hunting deer. As per the reg you can’t have bird shot in your shotgun while deer hunting. It’s pretty clear to me. In order to shoot a grouse you would have to stop deer hunting e.g. unload your buckshot or slug then load up with bird shot.

[gbk]

Go back and read the regulation: “ A person shall not use... any shotgun loaded with shot smaller than SG or number one buck for hunting big game.” If it was deer season and you had a valid licence and had a slug in the barrel, and in an area where deer might reasonably be found, then that is “prima facie” (clear on its face) evidence that you are hunting deer. As per the reg you can’t have bird shot in your shotgun while deer hunting. It’s pretty clear to me. In order to shoot a grouse you would have to stop deer hunting e.g. unload your buckshot or slug then load up with bird shot.

Sam,this is pretty clear to me.
If You read the posts, you will see my post is now on" Ontario what if" and the side by side or over under.
Even there i put the"you will be likely" ok note.................

I think the rest(over there and semi shotgun with mixed ammo) is clear ,to most.


However ,for O/U or SS,i still think the area can be grey,and the CO would likely need to decide.
Why - i think reasoning of selective fire capability have merits.Providing-we are not debating that aspect-the person has applicable licences.
Combination guns(with different projectile in each barrel)while not very common,they are legal and viable" tools of the trade",used following all applicable rules and regulations.
Yet same scenario applies to them as well.

I am otherwise impartial not owning any of the above guns........