For those who vote conservative.

[delmer]

Just so happens that in the Sun today, liberal strategist Jim Warren has an article about the leadership race. But, it seems to me that Trudeau was selected leader under the same circumstances he warns about.

https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...-conservatives

[Dythbringer]

T . Please explain why the cons. made an anti- gay, anti-abortionist their leader. 'Clearly aren't very bright, shouldn't waste your money trying to get elected.'

I can. Conservatives think a person can separate their personal beliefs from their job. Scheer has stated numerous times that he respects the Supreme Court of Canada decisions on the rights of Canadians who are a part of the LGQBT community and the abortion rights of women despite his personal beliefs. It is his choice not to walk in a Pride parade. Last time I checked Canadians were allowed to make their own decisions. However, we are starting to tread into a territory where if you don't show a particular group of Canadians a certain level of support that the group deem acceptable, you are somehow against what they stand for or worse have a secret agenda to do them harm.

I have never walked in a Pride parade. I probably never will. I am a Christian (United Church of Canada). I am not secretly harbouring a long term plan to deny gay people or woman their fundamental rights under Canadian law. I vote Conservative because I want a government who will try to be fiscally responsible. However, because of the way I vote, there are others out there who want to label me homophobic or some kind of cave man who demands his woman be tied to the stove and believes she is only good for procreation and cooking my dinner.

Scheer isn't perfect. His beliefs are his own and he shouldn't be or have been vilified for them. His beliefs (stemed from his religion) were judged but how come the same lens wasn't used for Trudeau and Singh? Trudeau is Roman Catholic and Singh is a Sikh. Both men have stated that their religion influences them yet neither one was accused of being anti-abortion or anti-gay despite both religions being against abortion and the Roman Catholic Church actively opposing homosexuality.

Why does the left can give Trudeau a pass on the worst behaviour by claiming he was young and he has changed and then use other's past behaviour or comments to try instill fear in others? Why does the left think it is fine for their guy who says he lives his life through his religious beliefs be fine with doing the job of PM because he can separate church and state and this other guy can't because his beliefs are influenced by his religion? Finally, why is it ok that Trudeau stated on numerous times he wants to bring people together but has no problem trying to rip apart a person for their beliefs?

[trimmer21]

i can. Conservatives think a person can separate their personal beliefs from their job. Scheer has stated numerous times that he respects the supreme court of canada decisions on the rights of canadians who are a part of the lgqbt community and the abortion rights of women despite his personal beliefs. It is his choice not to walk in a pride parade. Last time i checked canadians were allowed to make their own decisions. However, we are starting to tread into a territory where if you don't show a particular group of canadians a certain level of support that the group deem acceptable, you are somehow against what they stand for or worse have a secret agenda to do them harm.

I have never walked in a pride parade. I probably never will. I am a christian (united church of canada). I am not secretly harbouring a long term plan to deny gay people or woman their fundamental rights under canadian law. I vote conservative because i want a government who will try to be fiscally responsible. However, because of the way i vote, there are others out there who want to label me homophobic or some kind of cave man who demands his woman be tied to the stove and believes she is only good for procreation and cooking my dinner.

Scheer isn't perfect. His beliefs are his own and he shouldn't be or have been vilified for them. His beliefs (stemed from his religion) were judged but how come the same lens wasn't used for trudeau and singh? Trudeau is roman catholic and singh is a sikh. Both men have stated that their religion influences them yet neither one was accused of being anti-abortion or anti-gay despite both religions being against abortion and the roman catholic church actively opposing homosexuality.

Why does the left can give trudeau a pass on the worst behaviour by claiming he was young and he has changed and then use other's past behaviour or comments to try instill fear in others? Why does the left think it is fine for their guy who says he lives his life through his religious beliefs be fine with doing the job of pm because he can separate church and state and this other guy can't because his beliefs are influenced by his religion? Finally, why is it ok that trudeau stated on numerous times he wants to bring people together but has no problem trying to rip apart a person for their beliefs?

^^^^^^^^^^^^ this!! ^^^^^^^^^^^

[benjhind]

I can. Conservatives think a person can separate their personal beliefs from their job. Scheer has stated numerous times that he respects the Supreme Court of Canada decisions on the rights of Canadians who are a part of the LGQBT community and the abortion rights of women despite his personal beliefs. It is his choice not to walk in a Pride parade. Last time I checked Canadians were allowed to make their own decisions. However, we are starting to tread into a territory where if you don't show a particular group of Canadians a certain level of support that the group deem acceptable, you are somehow against what they stand for or worse have a secret agenda to do them harm.

I have never walked in a Pride parade. I probably never will. I am a Christian (United Church of Canada). I am not secretly harbouring a long term plan to deny gay people or woman their fundamental rights under Canadian law. I vote Conservative because I want a government who will try to be fiscally responsible. However, because of the way I vote, there are others out there who want to label me homophobic or some kind of cave man who demands his woman be tied to the stove and believes she is only good for procreation and cooking my dinner.

Scheer isn't perfect. His beliefs are his own and he shouldn't be or have been vilified for them. His beliefs (stemed from his religion) were judged but how come the same lens wasn't used for Trudeau and Singh? Trudeau is Roman Catholic and Singh is a Sikh. Both men have stated that their religion influences them yet neither one was accused of being anti-abortion or anti-gay despite both religions being against abortion and the Roman Catholic Church actively opposing homosexuality.

Why does the left can give Trudeau a pass on the worst behaviour by claiming he was young and he has changed and then use other's past behaviour or comments to try instill fear in others? Why does the left think it is fine for their guy who says he lives his life through his religious beliefs be fine with doing the job of PM because he can separate church and state and this other guy can't because his beliefs are influenced by his religion? Finally, why is it ok that Trudeau stated on numerous times he wants to bring people together but has no problem trying to rip apart a person for their beliefs?

Would you vote for a person who was openly a member of the KKK, but declared that there would be no government lynchings under their tenure? If it is just their personal beliefs, how could you hold that against them?

To the left, human rights are important. Scheer stood up in front of parliament and told Canada that gays should have fewer rights than the rest of Canada. That they should not have the right to marry because of how they were born. Just like the KKK believe people of colour should have fewer rights because of how they were born.

If you think that standing up in front of parliament and declaring that a specific group should be denied rights is equal to wearing blackface to an aladdin party, your opinion is not shared by the voting majority. If you think that standing up in front of parliament and declaring that a specific group should be denied rights is equal to stating you are Roman Catholic or a Sikh, then your opinion is also not shared by the voting majority.

The fact is that there is no record of Trudeau or Singh adamantly opposing equal rights for all Canadians, let alone doing so deliberately on the public record as an MP in front of parliament.

A person should be vilified if they hold villainous beliefs. To me, believing that gays shouldn't be allowed to marry because they were born gay is no different from believing black people shouldn't be allowed on public transportation because they were born black. I don't care whether someone learned these beliefs from a church or from a Klan meeting or from a book.

It is true that Canadians are allowed to have their own beliefs, but that doesn't mean they won't be judged for those beliefs on election day.

[fishermccann]

Most excellent post Benjhind. Well said.

[benjhind]

Equality before and under the law is a right. See section 15 of the Constitution.

Edit: The post to which this response was directed has been deleted.

[onelessarrow]

As a father of 26 years, I know exactly why a father is so important to the human species. Maybe someone can tell me what rights a man/father has over the well being of his child.

Save yourself the bullsyte, because there isn't any.

That conversation can't be had, because people like you will label me anti-abortion if i bring it up. Equality, my azz.

So as far as I'm concerned, I got zero time/patients for people that simply create more division while peddling inclusiveness.

The KKK? Seriously! The left/socialists have the history of racism and are actively the largest group of racists on the planet.

Who's the Orange Man these days and who's behind all the hate?

[fishermccann]

'Why a father is so important to the human race.' Father or impregnator?....... Any father? Is a really bad father, better than no father? I know people with bad fathers who would disagree, they just wanted their father gone. Vicious cycle...... If you hate people who are haters do you thus become haters yourself? Eg. I hate people who hate gays. Are you saying that those hates are equal, and that I am just as bad as the people who hate gays? I hate the KKK ,does my hate of them make me a hater ,on par with them?

[onelessarrow]

Maybe you just love to hate. You certain display here quite often.

[fishermccann]

Some on here make it so easy. What is worse , people who hate tolerance, or people who hate intolerant people? I would just say , if you did not hate anyone, I would not hate you. What came first the chicken or the egg? The egg of course, chickens evolved from reptiles that laid eggs.