Moose Management changes 2020/2021

[gbk]

And because a particular management system works in Quebec or Alberta or Sweden doesn't mean it will work here in Ontario unless all parameters are similar, that being hunter density, hunter access, logging practices, climate in particular.

You are 100% right Sawbill-i have one question though: what then- all those ppl involved in moose management in the Government -get paid for....?

[gbk]

No other province in Canada has a higher percentage of moose hunters to actual moose. Its not even close either.

A third of Canada lives in Ontario. Its not as easy as saying "do what Quebec does". Literally no one else faces the challenges our game managers have to with moose

I beg to differ though-Wildlife in Québec is composed of around 648 species of vertebrates in all the major animal groups, including mammals, birds, fish, amphibians, snakes and turtles. In addition, there are several thousand species of invertebrates found here, with the largest group made up of around 30,000 species of insects.

The wildlife sector makes an important contribution to Québec’s economy, especially in outlying regions. Almost half the population, or over three million people, pursue some kind of outdoor activity. With respect to hunting, fishing and trapping, the following figures are noteworthy:

518,000 hunters


This is from FAPAQ-or Quebec MNRF website. https://mffp.gouv.qc.ca/the-wildlife/?lang=en


Plus Quebec harvests between 15-25 K moose -A YEAR.
That alone says there are tons of moose hunters there.
Just because 90000 Ontarians bought moose license ,it does not mean anything but-so many ppl bought licenses.
How many of them actually hunted?

Never seen a staistics for that.

Do we have problems?-big ones,but it is not because of the moose hunter numbers in Ontario.

[skull]

Pretty misguided Skull, we had millions of Bison and Carrier pigeons in North America before the arrival of the White people and after, not so much.

Did they had a management program
That’s why they almost got extinct

[Gilroy]

Did they had a management program
That’s why they almost got extinct

The passenger pigeon is extinct,the point being made is that the White man managed to eradicate a species within a very short time,there were 30 million Bison in North America before the arrival of the White man and we almost managed to wipe them out.

[skull]

The carrier pigeon is extinct,the point being made is that the White man managed to eradicate a species within a very short time,there were 30 million Bison in North America before the arrival of the White man and we almost managed to wipe them out.

What are you talking about
Go get yourself educated on the subject, don’t just blow air out of your mouth
History

Estimates are that as many as 100 million bison roamed North America in large herds before Native Americans began hunting them. Within 100 years of the Lewis & Clark expedition, which paved the way for western settlement of the United States, however, the bison had almost disappeared from western ranges.

Significance

The near extinction of bison from North America was significant for several reasons. Primarily, the removal of the main source of meat for Native Americans meant that they would be more easily persuaded to move to reservations, allowing for increased settlement in the West
Prevention/Solution

Despite pleas from many, including Buffalo Bill Cody, who previously made a name for himself as a professional bison hunter, to protect the animals, bison remained unprotected as a species in the 19th century. It took private efforts at the turn of the 20th century--one herd preserved in South Dakota and another in Montana--to keep bison from extinction.

[sawbill]

You are 100% right Sawbill-i have one question though: what then- all those ppl involved in moose management in the Government -get paid for....?

All those biologists get paid to recommend sound, workable management programs for the sustainability of a population. Unfortunately, they don't get to implement those programs without substantial and influential input from hunters, anglers, lobby groups and worst of all politicians who don't know the first thing about managing wildlife or fisheries. When it comes to moose management, I suspect if a bio had the final say, you'd see moose seasons shut down across the province for a number of years.

[jaycee]

What are you talking about
Go get yourself educated on the subject, don’t just blow air out of your mouth
History

Estimates are that as many as 100 million bison roamed North America in large herds before Native Americans began hunting them. Within 100 years of the Lewis & Clark expedition, which paved the way for western settlement of the United States, however, the bison had almost disappeared from western ranges.

Significance

The near extinction of bison from North America was significant for several reasons. Primarily, the removal of the main source of meat for Native Americans meant that they would be more easily persuaded to move to reservations, allowing for increased settlement in the West
Prevention/Solution

Despite pleas from many, including Buffalo Bill Cody, who previously made a name for himself as a professional bison hunter, to protect the animals, bison remained unprotected as a species in the 19th century. It took private efforts at the turn of the 20th century--one herd preserved in South Dakota and another in Montana--to keep bison from extinction.

Timeline. An estimated 30 to 60 million bison living in North America. As Euro-Americans settled the country, moving westward from the east coast, they brought changes to native habitat through plowing and farming.

The American bison or simply bison (Bison bison), also commonly known as the American buffalo or simply buffalo, is a North American species of bison that once roamed North America in vast herds. Its historical range, by 9000 BCE, is described as the great bison belt, a tract of rich grassland that ran from Alaska to the Gulf of Mexico, east to the Atlantic Seaboard (nearly to the Atlantic tidewater in some areas) as far north as New York and south to Georgia and, according to some sources, down to Florida, with sightings in North Carolina near Buffalo Ford on the Catawba River as late as 1750.^[2][3][4] It nearly became extinct by a combination of commercial hunting and slaughter in the 19th century and introduction of bovine diseases from domestic cattle. With a population in excess of 60 million in the late 18th century, the species was down to 541 animals by 1889. Recovery efforts expanded in the mid-20th century, with a resurgence to roughly 31,000^[5] animals today, largely restricted to a few national parks and reserves.

[impact]

100% this. 90000 ontarians applied to hunt last year. A system that allows everyone to go moose hunting is nonsense at this point.

Well you can double the number of hunters if you include those who did not apply. Not meant to be a racist post as natives have a traditional right to hunt but puts in perspective the pressure on the moose population here in Ontario.

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[sawbill]

Add the incidental kills from railways. Its probably as high, if not higher than the native harvest. Trains hunt 24 hours a day and 365 days a year and those kills are not reported.

[Gilroy]

Skull,

Taking aside the argument on numbers of Bison and the fact the passenger pigeon is gone already,do you still think your argument that the White man is being disadvantaged by following the laws on Moose hunting still holds water.I would say WE are a big part of the problem.
There are probably a lot of older hunters on here that witnessed to many Moose being harvested but justified it because they had the tags and thought the MNR had thinks in hand.If your going to reply try to refrain from personal attack,s.