The Schrifle; new 20 ga concept ammo

[MikePal]

Interesting topic to debate the merits of....in an age of crossbreeds, next step ?

New Rifle Shotgun Hybrid Bullet Raises Ethical Questions

TarHunt is a gun company located in Bloomsburg, PA. They specialize in making rifled slug guns. They also make a very interesting 20 ga. slug load called Schrifle. Basically it is a non-sabot projectile loaded into a 20 gauge plastic hull with the bullet sticking out of the hull (just like rifle cartridges are loaded). Obviously, these rounds are intended to be shot from rifled 20 gauge barrels.

The projectile itself is a hollow point lead-free slug called Raptor. The manufacturer has been experimenting with different weights, but right now only the 239 grain projectiles are available with a muzzle velocity of 2150 fps. The pack of ten rounds has a price tag of $45.

We now have shotguns that shoot like rifles, crossbows that shoot like shotguns, and compounds that shoot like crossbows. At what point do we tell people that technology is to much, and you need to improve your hunting skills to take your animal? The main reason I switched to a re-curve bow this year is to challenge myself and improve as a hunter.

Should these new bullets be legal in shotgun only states? Or do you agree with me that we should rely on ability and not technology to have a true fair chase harvest?

[Tacomaboy25]

These look very interesting.

[terrym]

People use rifle/cartridge/scope combos that can pick off game at hundreds of yards. High power scopes, semi autos. All legal. My opinion is if it’s legal and you are proficient and ethical then why not? This looks like a person wanting to look down on others while he stands on the mountain with his recurve. Reality is any tool that reduces the odds of “not” taking game cleanly is a good thing.

[impact]

My only question in utilizing that product would be how much deposit is left in the rifling of the barrel versus a plastic sabot.
Otherwise it looks good to me. The idea of shotgun only was to limit the range of the projectile in a semi rural populated area.
Yes, the new technology has made the shotguns more accurate with a modest increase in range but still nowhere near that of a high calibre rifle.
So, until Joe Public complains about a safety issue there is no reason not to enjoy advances in technology.

I hunt rifle, ML, archery and camera. Enjoy all of them equally.

[swampsinger]

What modern firearm can't hit a dinner plate consistently at a hundred yards. It makes this type of thing superfluous, when your shooting from a rest, 75 feet from a bait pile.

[MikePal]

What modern firearm can't hit a dinner plate consistently at a hundred yards. It makes this type of thing superfluous, when your shooting from a rest, 75 feet from a bait pile.

The intention is to make the 20ga into a 200 yd Deer Gun. This guys has done some shooting with it , good article

https://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/ga...-gun-schrifle/

[rf2]

How is this significantly different than a saboted slug in terms of performance? The Hornady saboted slugs that I use claim to be travelling at 2000 fps. If they reduced the weight of the slug, they could probably achieve the same speed as this new ammunition.

[MikePal]

That's the basic premise..from the linked article:

One of the Holy Grails of slug-gun hunting is developing a round that is accurate and powerful at longer ranges, up to and even exceeding 200 yards. Bad things can happen to a slow slug between here and there. It needs to be fast. But what about its down-range energy? Because of its size, the heavy slug slows down exponentially over distance and ultimately affects accuracy. Ballistic coefficients get out of whack with all those lumps of lead and copper.

A comparable 20-gauge 2 ¾-inch Foster sighted in at 50 yards drops about 6 inches at 100 yards and its energy diminishes to less than 800 foot pounds. A typical premium 20-gauge, 2 ¾-inch sabot round starts with a muzzle speed of around 1,850 fps and delivers about 1,500 ft. lbs. at 100 yards.

A shotgun slug that can exceed 2,000 fps is definitely a game-changer. Fritz tried various designs of slugs before finally ending up with a round that tops about 2,250 feet per second out of the muzzle of a 24-inch rifled barrel, and is still zipping at 2,000 fps at 100 yards. In practical terms, it amounts to the following, with a scope mounted about 1½ inches above the bore and sighted-in to be dead-on at 150 yards.

[Big Jack]

How is this significantly different than a saboted slug in terms of performance? The Hornady saboted slugs that I use claim to be travelling at 2000 fps. If they reduced the weight of the slug, they could probably achieve the same speed as this new ammunition.

Biggest problem with current sabot slugs is the sabot. It’s a weak point and does not impart 100% rotation of rifling to projectile.

This would eliminate that issue and potentially make the best slug out there into 1/2 MOA shooter.

Maybe

They would be a bore rider bullet opposed to a full formed bullet I would expect. If it were the latter the pressure needed to engrave rifling in that bullet and push it at 2000 fps plus would peel those low pressure barrels like a banana.

Regardless bore riding projectiles if obturate well are incredibly accurate. The size and ballistic coefficient will limit range.

[Big Jack]

That's the basic premise..from the linked article:

So this is where it loses me.

A .673” 239 grain bullet would need BC of .31 to achieve only 250 fps velocity shed in first 100 yards.

I don’t believe this.