No Crown land Camping

[mosquito]

My point being what I used to pay $1500 for a months rent now costs me $2500 for the same property. Why shouldn't I be ticked off?

Over how many years did it go up to that price... remember Motel 6 no longer charges $6
Were there upgrades/improvements/new services?
New amenities in the area?

Obviously if it changed they felt it was worth it and they could get that much.

[sawbill]

In 2016 we paid $1500, VRBO took over in the following spring or summer and the rent went in 2017 to $2500 . That's USD not cdn. No improvements, no nothing, just new management. Now, you may think I'm being cheap by not paying that but I'm sure as heck not stupid.

[mosquito]

When was the last time they updated the price?
Prime season someplace warm... how many people? How Old? Were they doing repairs due to a storm or hurricane?

VRBO just lists properties for other people, that is quite the jump, so show us the listing if you can find it. New owners if that is what you mean has nothing to do with it being on VRBO.

You can also do look up at what the prices are in an area for listing your own place.
https://www.vrbo.com/en-us/list

In the Muskoka's many places are more than $300 a night, this one is $300 for example. So that's $2100 CAD, 2 bedroom/1 bath for 6 people in this example I picked in July.
https://www.vrbo.com/en-ca/search/ke...05&channel=slp

all the way at quick look up to this one that sleeps 16 and is $2000 CAD PER NIGHT.
https://www.vrbo.com/en-ca/cottage-r...ure=2020-07-18

This one on Lake Simcoe for 4ppl is over $1000 per night...
https://www.vrbo.com/en-ca/cottage-r...ure=2020-07-18

If YOU don't think it is worth it, but it seems someone else does, go somewhere else, it is their choice and you can make yours.

[sawbill]

We're well aware of how VRBO operates as I've been researching their listings for 6 or 7 years now. The listing we rented initially was a complex in Corpus Cristi. We stayed there a few years before VRBo got involved with them. Maybe 20 units of varying design, some units privately owned but still offered to renters, all modern, complete kitchen, some 2 story, some single but all designed for a minimum of 1 couple. Sorta like a motel but much more elaborate. Central outdoor heated pool, a few BBQ's placed strategically for general use. As an alternative we searched other VRBO rentals in Texas and Louisiana specifically for camp type accommodations. They were all closely the same price ways but when we corresponded directly with the owners we always got a much better rental agreement. So, as far as I'm concerned, VRBO is not a great deal for most private camp owners because the higher rents they demand narrow prospective clients down just that much more.
Keep in mind, their peak season is Jan, Feb, Mar whereas ours would be July and August. A lot of their rentals are listed at maybe $150 to $300 per night depending on quality but renting for a month through the owner you can get that same place for 30 days somewhere around $1500--and no sales tax.

[mosquito]

We're well aware of how VRBO operates as I've been researching their listings for 6 or 7 years now. The listing we rented initially was a complex in Corpus Cristi. We stayed there a few years before VRBo got involved with them. Maybe 20 units of varying design, some units privately owned but still offered to renters, all modern, complete kitchen, some 2 story, some single but all designed for a minimum of 1 couple. Sorta like a motel but much more elaborate. Central outdoor heated pool, a few BBQ's placed strategically for general use. As an alternative we searched other VRBO rentals in Texas and Louisiana specifically for camp type accommodations. They were all closely the same price ways but when we corresponded directly with the owners we always got a much better rental agreement. So, as far as I'm concerned, VRBO is not a great deal for most private camp owners because the higher rents they demand narrow prospective clients down just that much more.
Keep in mind, their peak season is Jan, Feb, Mar whereas ours would be July and August. A lot of their rentals are listed at maybe $150 to $300 per night depending on quality but renting for a month through the owner you can get that same place for 30 days somewhere around $1500--and no sales tax.

Ah.... 30 days, in prime season, won't answer how many people or show the listing.... in my book that puts you in whiny cheap skate that feels entitled to special treatment or in the category like the one guy I know ... I guess best described as whiny socialist that gets upset when people other than them make money and somehow feeling entitled to special treatment.

The VRBO rates look good to me, in line with what other charge or even a bit cheaper. Advertising, bookings, charges and cancellation handling...

https://help.vrbo.com/articles/How-i...fee-calculated

https://blog.turnkeyvr.com/fees-home...homeaway-vrbo/

... spending all that time looking at it, whining and unable to answer questions ... although you finally did say 30 days.... don't want to pay the appropriate taxes, spending lots of time....

I am betting the 2nd.... $2,500 sounds fair in prime season for 30 days to me.... the $1500 is the guy with the noisy small one that is inconvenient, hard to be rented since few want to go back to it and the owner is hiding his income is what I am suspecting. If you can get that $1500... go for it, from what you say about checking it seems like alot of effort to just reinforce a grudge attitude to a business running and owners getting fair market value for their investment. Heck for all we know it might be their retirement income, a widow's income, funding kids going to school... and you seem upset because you can't cheat on the taxes and beat the owner down in price....

[sawbill]

Do your homework before criticizing. Non payment of sales tax is a state initiative to bring tourism to their area. If you book say for example the month of Feb your rent would be $1500 plus $400 state sales tax. But if you book the 28 days in Feb plus two more days into March then you are not required to pay tax. So for 28 days vacation it costs me $1900 usd or 30 days it costs me $1500. I guess in your convoluted way of reasoning I'm cheap.
Another thing that seems to be over your head. These areas are financially stressed and tourism is a huge source of of income. Louisiana is one of the poorest states so their going rate for anything is substantially lower than what you would get here. If you don't shop around for the best deal, you're not cheap....you're s........!

[trimmer21]

Rather than use a rental service,friends of ours rent their cottage out by word-of-mouth through family and friends. Over the years,they've established a steady clientele who have also become good friends. They look after the place like their own and there's never been an issue of damage or irresponsible behavior. Rent is by cash only by mutual understanding. The underground economy is alive and well.

[fratri]

I thought this was about Crown Land Camping.....or should I say not being able to camp on Crown Land.....

[sawbill]

I wasn't the one who brought up the rental scenario but you know how threads go in twists and turns. Thanks for getting it back on track...for awhile anyway.

[mosquito]

Rather than use a rental service,friends of ours rent their cottage out by word-of-mouth through family and friends. Over the years,they've established a steady clientele who have also become good friends. They look after the place like their own and there's never been an issue of damage or irresponsible behavior. Rent is by cash only by mutual understanding. The underground economy is alive and well.

True, they are usually just doing it on the cheap to cover some basic expenses and for their friends benefit not for income. Sad but the reality is S's too busy whining about the rental services like they are something new when they have been around for decades. He's also whining about spending less than $85 a day in prime season in the south in Winter when the price goes up from $50 and especially it seems that people want to make money on their investment. Well if he isn't the cheap skate as he contends and he hates people trying to make money .... then it's option 2. He's right that there are areas that tourism is a big part of the economy, didn't know about the taxes & don't care, it is great they do but his goal seems to be to hate on people and services that are benefiting them while they're trying to earn that money in the area that needs it by offering a rental at more than a discount/cheap price ...

Services offer exposure, handle bookings, payment, track revenue and some of the expenses.... they are convenient and reasonable (other than AirBNB (due to their support of delusional Docs against firearms)) and even have feedback and screening... hating on them is like people hating on someone using any service that saves time and offers value... ah well, it is kind of fun pointing out his failures and asking him questions he won't answer but enough time wasted and sadly he likely won't get it anyway.

Anyway, the province put a kill on it too this summer it looks like... people and businesses not making money, maybe he will be happy.
https://cottagelife.com/realestate/r...=48055e2b2eppU
"On April 4, the Ontario government amended the Emergency Management and Civil Protection Act, banning short-term rentals during the COVID-19 pandemic. Specifically, the amendment states that “Every person who provides short term rentals in rental accommodations shall ensure that any rentals booked after April 4, 2020 are only provided to individuals who are in need of housing during the emergency period.”"