Gun ban talks back after a sad weekend in NS

[MikePal]

. I kinka get it they cant lock everyone for 5 years for simply having an illegal firearm.

That's why the original sentence was 3 yrs for 1st offense ...5yrs for the 2nd offense:

With 2x for time served they should be out in 1.5 yr.

How they figured 3 yrs was cruel and unusual was beyond me.

The majority decision, written by Chief Justice Beverly McLachin, found that the three-year minimum penalty for a first offence and five years for a subsequent offence, violate the “cruel and unusual” provisions of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

[MikePal]

This is quite clever...

[fishfood]

That's why the original sentence was 3 yrs for 1st offense ...5yrs for the 2nd offense:

How they figured 3 yrs was cruel and unusual was beyond me.

That would still depend 3 years just for the gun or with a crime I'm not looking it up right now lol.

Like in the past some times they charge multiple people until a confession or its generally tossed out in the courts. How would that work lots of things can interfere with an illegal firearm situation. But if it's used with a crime there should be no ifs and or bits 3 years isn't that bad in would do some good.

No excuses to be slinging dope from your car with a loaded pistal under the seat. 3 years have fun Easy decisions lol.

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[greatwhite]

This is what the Federal Government should be helping to prevent by stopping smuggling. But Trudeau and even Liberal supporters on here have made a concerted effort to blame it all on Legal gun owners.

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/eaton-cen...-cops-1.834930

That would still depend 3 years just for the gun or with a crime I'm not looking it up right now lol.

Like in the past some times they charge multiple people until a confession or its generally tossed out in the courts. How would that work lots of things can interfere with an illegal firearm situation. But if it's used with a crime there should be no ifs and or bits 3 years isn't that bad in would do some good.

No excuses to be slinging dope from your car with a loaded pistal under the seat. 3 years have fun Easy decisions lol.

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[JBen]

Thought I would copy and paste this here. If your on Facebook search for the originators name/ post. Share it.

My comment.
If you won’t hear it from us. Hear it from an RCMP officer..
I don’t care how many “friends” I lose over this. I have read so many comments along the lines of “ everyone is allowed an opinion”...until they hear stats and truths..

But at the most basic.
JT and the Liberals who care most about your votes....our opinions, our say?
Eviscerated..eradicated with the stroke of a pen. He does not have the mandate.
Yeah sure, tell me again how everyone’s voice/opinion



FROM KEVIN SCOTT, AN EXPERT IN THE FIELD OF FIREARMS

Let me lay this out for you and anyone else who also likely isn’t as informed as they would like to be.

Firstly, let me say this. I’ve been a firearms instructor for 14 years, a police officer and supervisor for 8. A correctional officer for 6 and an RCMP firearms verification expert since 2012. Part of being a firearms verification expert means it’s my job to be able to testify to court what classification different firearms are, and their points of origin and import.

With that being said I will start with this. Nothing on that list, or in a Canada is an “assault weapon” or a “military grade firearm”. All military firearms have been outright banned in Canada since 1979. Automatic firearms are prohibited in Canada. The rifles on that list are hunting and sporting rifles.

Trudeau is blatantly lying and misleading Canadians by using their lack of knowledge on the subject. Firstly, he bypassed our democratic process which is outrageous and every Canadian should be appalled. Secondly he is dancing on the graves of all those victims in NS. The shooter used a rifle obtained in the US and a pistol stolen from a Cst killed in cold blood. The victims and their families deserve better. Nothing he did was legal, he wasn’t even a firearms license holder and had previously been banned from owning firearms after a common assault (disclaimer - those conditions had expired).

Canadians are ridiculously strict with gun laws. Nothing in this act will help public safety in the slightest. All centre fire rifles in Canada are limited to 5 rounds. They cannot be converted to be automatic.

This will cost Canadians a half billion dollars and have zero effect on public safety. It will hurt public safety as it distracts from real issues.

The borders are weak as hell. I would say I handled more American firearms then Canadian ones. Personally I have seized more firearms then most people have ever seen in real life. The border is the biggest problem.

Secondly, the liberals banned carding and severely limited police powers to be proactive against gangs. The result was a 48% increase in shootings and a 98% increase in the number of people shot in the GTA.

Thirdly, the liberal government passed bill C75 which lowered sentences on violent crime and terrorism. It reduced bail considerations. Increased bail and promoted early release of offenders. This was voted in favour of my Mark Gerretsen FYI.

The liberals have hurt community safety far worse then we can likely repair.

Chris Lewis OPP commissioner (Ret) does not support this.

The association of chiefs of police do not support this.

Every police officer is screaming at this waste of money that will not help anything.

My AR 15 holds 5 .223 rounds. My deer rifle holds 5 30-06 rounds. It’s the most commonly used deer rifle in North America. Use common sense and tell me what’s more dangerous.

I think it’s also important that people understand how licensing works.

When you first decide you want your Possession and acquisition license (PAL) you find a licensed firearm instructor and tester. You will learn about different types of firearms, ammunition, safe handling, storage and transportation. The hunter safety course required for hunting is another course and exam on top of this. For the firearms portion only you will spend about $200 and an 8 hr training day. Followed by a lengthy exam requiring a 80% pass mark.

You then submit your application with proof of your testing. A picture, and roughly the same information you submit on your passport. Two guarantors etc. But, if you have a former spouse or partner...hope you’re in good standing. You will need their consent and the Chief Firearms Office (CFO) will contact them. You will wait about 6-12 months while they do background checks and local police records checks as well as calling the two character references you provided.

Then eventually your card will come in the mail at a cost of $80. Now, you legally can purchase ammunition and a firearm. But, only Non-Restricted firearms such as shotguns and hunting rifles. They must be stored separate from ammunition, out of site and locked. Either with a disabling lock, or in a locked container that is hard to break into. They can only be loaded in a place where they can be legally discharged. Ie the woods far away from people and houses.

Now, if you want a pistol or sporting rifle you need a restricted possession and acquisition license (RPAL). Back to the classroom, another 16hrs and $200. Another exam another $80 and an application the same as the first. You will wait 6-12 months again. Now, you have your license? Great! You can’t purchase a restricted firearms yet though.

Before you can do that you’ll need to be a member of a licensed range. Licensed ranges are over seen by the CFO to make sure they meet very stringent safety measures. So here in kingston we have one club, with a 2-3 year waiting list. So you apply and wait. Eventually luckily you get a spot. You pay your $300 annual fee, but you’re not shooting yet. First, another 8 hour safety course and then 4 probationary visits with a range officer.

Finally, you’re a member. Now you can purchase a pistol or sporting rifle. So you go to the store and chose one. You pay, now you wait. If you’re lucky 2-3 weeks maybe, sometimes 6-10 while the CFO approves it.

Oh, did I mention all firearms owners are checked on The Canadian Police Information Centre (CPIC) daily?.

So finally the day comes. You pick up your pistol or rifle. You’re ready to go! Nope, sorry. You’ll need two locks. A disabling lock and a hard container that locks. Restricted firearms are always locked twice. So we’re on our way right? No, not yet. Now you will need to contact the CFO wait on hold for 35-45 mins and request an Authorization to Transport (ATT). This is a piece of paper they will email you with your current address and your home address permitting you to transport your new firearm. You’re not allowed to stray. That would result in a ten year sentence and lifetime ban.

Once your home your pistol or rifle is stored separate from ammo and locked twice. It may only be transported to and from your licensed range with your ATT. It may only be discharged at your range.

At anytime the police on behalf of CFO or CFO may conduct a warrantless search of your home if there is a concern for safety or to verify proper compliance if you’re a collector.

At any time any person can phone the CFO or local police with a safety concern about you and you will lose your firearms. It is now up to you, to pay to defend yourself.

That is the just of the firearms licensing requirements in Canada.

Believe me, gun owners are afraid of sneezing as we can lose them so easily after going through so many hurdles to have them.

Please share! We need to educate Canadians. I am overwhelmed by the support I have received. I didn’t expect this to get this big this fast. As such I can’t accept friend requests. I’ll try my best to respond to messages. I am who I say I am. Several people have questioned me. I assure you they were met with certificates and qualifications, but if you doubt me I will be happy to verify it. Be kind and be safe.

[Bushmoose]

Ford wants real jail time for those who use guns for criminal purpose. It's just common sense, something the bleeding hearts cant seem to grasp. What a cowardly act for any municipality to pass such a by-law. I also dont believe any municipality should have the power to do so.

It will certainly add to the divide between urban and rural. Fortunately, here at home at least, my mayor hunts, as well as 2 out of 4 Councillors. One of them is heavily involved with the local range also, so I would hope they won't turn against many of the collectors and target shooters here? The cities, well I have my doubts about them not falling in line with the liberal drool?

[trimmer21]

It will certainly add to the divide between urban and rural. Fortunately, here at home at least, my mayor hunts, as well as 2 out of 4 Councillors. One of them is heavily involved with the local range also, so I would hope they won't turn against many of the collectors and target shooters here? The cities, well I have my doubts about them not falling in line with the liberal drool?

They'll fall in line,alright. The feds don't need to brow beat or threaten. Funding for federal projects within a municipality will quietly disappear. They'll get the message without a phone call or e-mail ever being made.

[JBen]

Eventually, if not soon. JT will be put out to pasture as he should have been in Oct.

Anything can be repealed. It will depend on the electorate. Ford won’t dare annoy the GTA much. He’s tried little things, they’ve howled. He’s backed off. He cares more about his chances, than doing the right thing. Scheer too lost largely due to Ontario. For not making inroads to the GTA. For the last 50 years, Ontario has been the swing vote. That means the GTA. It cost him.....

The liberals are going this way on handguns as it gives them deniability. “Not us, Tory chose to”...

For other cities big or small. It’s a rare politician that cares less about votes, and more about policies. Just look at Tory......from a one time Con, to a dyed in the wool red liberal...So for each city. More rural cities I wouldn’t worry about. At all.

[MikePal]

They'll fall in line,alright. The feds don't need to brow beat or threaten. Funding for federal projects within a municipality will quietly disappear. They'll get the message without a phone call or e-mail ever being made.

I love how we as a democracy have a government that has turned to extortion to garner compliance.

Ontario Premier Doug Ford has already signalled opposition to banning handguns despite support for the idea from Toronto Mayor John Tory.

The federal government’s preference is to hand some powers over firearms to the provinces, which would in turn allow for municipal regulation, Trudeau said.

“In some situations, we may have a province that is unwilling to do that despite the willingness of a city or cities to do that,” he said. “At which point, I have been assured, there are other tools we can use that wouldn’t be as ideal, because it would involve disagreements with the provinces at a time where we want to be collaborative.”

Trudeau declined to elaborate on any alternative measure, “because it’s something we hope to not have to use.”

[fishermccann]

Eventually, if not soon. JT will be put out to pasture as he should have been in Oct.

Anything can be repealed. It will depend on the electorate. Ford won’t dare annoy the GTA much. He’s tried little things, they’ve howled. He’s backed off. He cares more about his chances, than doing the right thing. Scheer too lost largely due to Ontario. For not making inroads to the GTA. For the last 50 years, Ontario has been the swing vote. That means the GTA. It cost him.....

The liberals are going this way on handguns as it gives them deniability. “Not us, Tory chose to”...

For other cities big or small. It’s a rare politician that cares less about votes, and more about policies. Just look at Tory......from a one time Con, to a dyed in the wool red liberal...So for each city. More rural cities I wouldn’t worry about. At all.

Agree with everything in this post but the first line. What happens if- when JT is reelected? Will everyone say, 'the people have spoken'? The PC party does not even have a leader yet, so who knows.