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    Here's some very important info that should put this issue to bed. Note to mods--Might be wise to put this in a sticky.

    https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firear...and-devices?re

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    I agree. There is so much inaccurate information being posted.

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    Yes finally an official press release from a government department instead of multiple releases from special interest groups.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodsman View Post
    Yes finally an official press release from a government department instead of multiple releases from special interest groups.
    The same gov't body that just before the registry disappeared, or atleast it was supposed to... there was that little deal with some .22 rifles suddenly....



    By the way what has been inaccurate, there are mixed messages about where and how the bore size is measured, lawyers that specialize in firearms say since it isn't a permanent part of the barrel the choke tube isn't a part and that's where they measured, making the muzzle .814 for a Winchoke barrel. Hence illegal and as this goes on the original screwed up legislation keeps getting more firearms added.


    Like this post from the "Sales and Marketing Director at Cadex Defence", their company that just had two more of it's rifles added to the list.

    " May 1st was our CDX-50 Tremor 50BMG
    48 hours ago was our CDX-40 Shadow 408CT
    and today was our CDX-40 Shadow 375CT"

    A bolt action precision rifle in 375 CT
    https://www.cadexdefence.com/product...cdx-40-shadow/

    With ammo at $100 for 10.
    https://deserttech.com/ammunition/375-ct.php

    and the RCMP seems in contrast to...the Canadian Border Services Agency (CBSA) Memorandum D19-13-2, issued May 29, 2019, defines BORE as:


    "the inside of the barrel of a firearm, from the throat to the muzzle, through which the projectile travels. "

    So the CBSA’s definition, it may be all 12-gauge and 10-gauge shotguns – not just those with removable chokes – are now Prohibited firearms because they do not consider the forcing cone, the “throat” of the barrel, which exceeds the 20 mm maximum bore diameter specified in SOR/2020-96.


    Do you believe Bill and the RCMP.... that is the question, or do you keep their feet to the fire and make sure that there is a real legal definition like midpoint or x inches from the muzzle etc.? If they can keep adding firearms then they should be able to add a definition easy enough.

    As for me, I like to see the evidence, the definition and it in writing.



    Quote Originally Posted by mosquito View Post
    For those that want to trust an opinion or policy and not have it in writing...
    .... as an example, from Ellwood Epps ...
    "Bore Diameter of Iver Johnson 12ga 2 3/4", measuring at 20.777mm"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcGpz-2aBYk
    Last edited by mosquito; May 9th, 2020 at 10:48 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mosquito View Post
    The same gov't body that just before the registry disappeared, or atleast it was supposed to... there was that little deal with some .22 rifles suddenly....



    By the way what has been inaccurate, there are mixed messages about where and how the bore size is measured, lawyers that specialize in firearms say since it isn't a permanent part of the barrel the choke tube isn't a part and that's where they measured, making the muzzle .814 for a Winchoke barrel. Hence illegal and as this goes on the original screwed up legislation keeps getting more firearms added.


    Like this post from the "Sales and Marketing Director at Cadex Defence", their company that just had two more of it's rifles added to the list.

    " May 1st was our CDX-50 Tremor 50BMG
    48 hours ago was our CDX-40 Shadow 408CT
    and today was our CDX-40 Shadow 375CT"

    A bolt action precision rifle in 375 CT
    https://www.cadexdefence.com/product...cdx-40-shadow/

    With ammo at $100 for 10.
    https://deserttech.com/ammunition/375-ct.php

    and the RCMP seems in contrast to...the Canadian Border Services Agency (CBSA) Memorandum D19-13-2, issued May 29, 2019, defines BORE as:


    "the inside of the barrel of a firearm, from the throat to the muzzle, through which the projectile travels. "

    So the CBSA’s definition, it may be all 12-gauge and 10-gauge shotguns – not just those with removable chokes – are now Prohibited firearms because they do not consider the forcing cone, the “throat” of the barrel, which exceeds the 20 mm maximum bore diameter specified in SOR/2020-96.


    Do you believe Bill and the RCMP.... that is the question, or do you keep their feet to the fire and make sure that there is a real legal definition like midpoint or x inches from the muzzle etc.? If they can keep adding firearms then they should be able to add a definition easy enough.

    As for me, I like to see the evidence, the definition and it in writing.
    Um-m-m....Mos,you really need to give it a rest on this thing. You're obsessing. It's over. Let's move on to the main issue,the OIC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trimmer21 View Post
    Um-m-m....Mos,you really need to give it a rest on this thing. You're obsessing. It's over. Let's move on to the main issue,the OIC.
    Yep, at this point those that will listen have and the rest closed their eyes and trusted Bill .... why is it I keep thinking of the Milgram experiment on so many occasions in discussions on here... but that is the real issue and that's why I posted an update on the petition. But think about it, if they are adding new firearms to the list (atleast the 2 from Cadex), why not a definition of the bore measurement and Epps just showed that single shot Iverson 12 guage exceeded it before the choke in a fixed choke firearm.
    https://petitions.ourcommons.ca/en/P...etition=e-2574


    Besides, it is snowing and poking a hornets nest is easier now before the monsters man killers arrive. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by trimmer21 View Post
    Here's some very important info that should put this issue to bed. Note to mods--Might be wise to put this in a sticky.

    https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firear...and-devices?re
    That page has been removed.

    I am reading elsewhere that the ban for 20mm bore shotguns was passed by council and Blair is simply saying he isn't going to enforce it (for now). If that's true ... that doesn't nearly solve the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkB View Post
    That page has been removed.

    I am reading elsewhere that the ban for 20mm bore shotguns was passed by council and Blair is simply saying he isn't going to enforce it (for now). If that's true ... that doesn't nearly solve the problem.
    MarkB your hearing BS.
    Just checked that link is still up.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodsman View Post
    MarkB your hearing BS.
    Just checked that link is still up.
    Actually You both are right-around 5 pm it was not working,i checked.....but now it is up and working again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbk View Post
    Actually You both are right-around 5 pm it was not working,i checked.....but now it is up and working again.
    As for the site going up and down you very well may be correct.
    It's what came after that what is BS.
    Right back to the fearmongering that started this issue.
    Last edited by Woodsman; May 11th, 2020 at 07:53 PM.




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