How we would survive?And how long?

[greatwhite]

Living by yourself would be simpler but if you have a family it would be much more difficult.

Ide have no problem finding an isolated place in the woods on a small lake somewhere off grid in the shield and living the rest of my life in peace and tranquility. Love to know what people who do not have the skills to acquire their own sustenance would do. My uppity neighbours across the street who scoff at my hunting and fishing lifestyle would probably be begging for a handout within the first week. Probably could trade some table scraps for their first-born lol

[line052]

I am a prepper and have "prepared for 7 yrs. Basically, you stock food for a year (all basic food group to make a balanced diet, calculating 2200 calories per day, per person. Most start out a food stockers (gotta get that years worth of food "put up") Once you have done that, that always leads to next question? What about long term - Then you think about self sufficiency, gardening, animal husbandry.

Many have no clue about 2 day "just in time" supply delivery system and how fragile it is to "events". COVID, was just a hint of how quickly food wars can begin - no imagine an EMP (Nuke or Solar Mass Ejection) which would wipe the electrical grid for up to 18 months. Department of Homeland Security (DHS), has listed a well documented timeline of civil breakdown which would see 90% of the NA population dead in 12 to 18 months

I started putting up food in 1998 after the Ice Storm as we had to eat from a shelter for 30 days..Never again. I never went to a store for the 62 days of COVID.

The 5 main ares of prepping are:

1. Food Security - Food Storage - Farming/Animal husbandry, water storage
2. Medical preparedness - Medications/Anti-biotics, first aid training - natural herbs
3. Renewable or alternative power, heat, cooking - Solar, Wood Heat, water purification
4. Security - Home/Self/Hunting - Reloading, Firearms, trapping, fishing, site security plan
5. Skills - Cutting wood, fixing, hand tools, medical, building.

If an EMP or Nasty killer virus bests the world, overnight the world would be set back to 1800s lifestyle.

Look around at how many "Victory Gardens" were planted this year as a result of food shortages. People are finally thinking about self sufficiency again.

What's a prepper? prepared for a week? a month? 2 months? a year? longer? If what you see is scary, why aren't you at least a little prepared? Considering what we just went through, I think folks who don't have a years worth of supplies on hand are being foolish.

[line052]

So go watch Canadian Prepper - he is getting more commercial - but has tons of great sensible info. Prepper Nurse - Fish Antibiotics, general medical preps. Don't watch any commercial TV shows - they are just stupid. Don't get hooked into buying all the prepper crap that is on the market.

[MikePal]

I think folks who don't have a years worth of supplies on hand are being foolish.

With a wife and 2 daughters, I may have to set up a bunker to keep a yrs worth of Toilet paper stockpiled..

In the intern I do have a generator for as long as fuel held out and I do have 100 litres of fuel.

My genny says I get 8 hrs on a full tank ( 5 gallons) .... so being stingy with power consumption I might get 2-3 days from a Jerry can.

If you have 100 ltrs...or 26 gallons... you might get 10-15 days. So if the grid has fallen and there is no refueling of local gas stations...you will start to suffer like all the others did who didn't prep, only 15 days later

A good prepper can out survive...but for how long..whatever killed the rest of humanity will eventually catch up to you or someone who wants your stuff will kill you for it.

A good pepper obtains and keeps enough morphine on hand ..

[trimmer21]

You nailed that one, no internet and no power to run cell systems. Can you imagine the brain anarchy in people that always have one in hand. On time delivery of food and everything else would go for a dump. No water and sewers back up, phew.

Remember the power outage in 2003? After the first 3 days,people were almost going berserk when they couldn't cook,access bank accounts,stores and gas stations were "cash only". It got fugly quick. Luckily,power restored after the 5th day or society would have been right off the rails.

[greatwhite]

We went a little more than 2 weeks with out power and my wife being pregnant.

Remember the power outage in 2003? After the first 3 days,people were almost going berserk when they couldn't cook,access bank accounts,stores and gas stations were "cash only". It got fugly quick. Luckily,power restored after the 5th day or society would have been right off the rails.

[greatwhite]

There will still be fuel in tanks .

But yes the genny will only last so long. Most important things will be food, shelter and heat. Heat and shelter would not be a problem and food I am sure I could make do, my grandfather had to poach to feed my mother and her sister. Eating lobster and venison all the time growing up. .

This is kinda of why I have tried different ways of growing vegetables in the past, tried my hand at raising meat hens and eggs layers.

I noticed there seems to be a run on paper towl now.

I don't claim to be a prepper, but I am prepared for short term and believe I have the capability to use judgement for long term. But in reality a prepper will only be able to make it so long as well. We also have no idea what the next big thing might. Massive power outage across the world, Nuclear strike, Asteroid impact, heck it could be Aliens for all we know.

But life goes on.

With a wife and 2 daughters, I may have to set up a bunker to keep a yrs worth of Toilet paper stockpiled..



My genny says I get 8 hrs on a full tank ( 5 gallons) .... so being stingy with power consumption I might get 2-3 days from a Jerry can.

If you have 100 ltrs...or 26 gallons... you might get 10-15 days. So if the grid has fallen and there is no refueling of local gas stations...you will start to suffer like all the others did who didn't prep, only 15 days later

A good prepper can out survive...but for how long..whatever killed the rest of humanity will eventually catch up to you or someone who wants your stuff will kill you for it.

A good pepper obtains and keeps enough morphine on hand ..

[MarkB]

People will survive ... and yes, the world will change ... but people will find a way to adjust and survive ... and probably with a lot less complaining!

[line052]

So the scenario is real scary as to civil breakdown Post EMP - North Korea could launch a nuke (or China), to detonate at 300K above continental USA. One nuke the size of washing machine is all it takes - or look up Carrington Event of 1886, when a Solar Flair destroyed the very rudimentary telegraph lines.

Now before I premise, the probabilities is 1% chance of 1%, but it is real. So do go all crazy or have end of world dreams. Senisabilty must prevail.

Civil Breakdown Timeline (Post EMP)

24-48 hrs realization by masses
24-72 hrs all sanitation and sewer in cities stop working (high rises fill with sewage) - no water, no electricity for elevators
72hrs runs on Supermarkets, grocery stores as most people only have 2 weeks of food at home
NO fire, police, ambulances, military response as 85% of all vehicles, all communication systems are dead - You are on your own
4-7 days - first killings occur over food riots
1 week all hospital - with working (remote) generators run out of fuel, all those dependant on life support perish.
No fuel delivery system, no food, rail, truck, bus - 85% of all vehicles will not function or some will function with electrical faults of some sort.
1 week - armed gangs are starting to form to control, hoard, kil, and loot resources
2 weeks - armed gangs are established and using working vehicles to loot and steal food resources to control a black market
3 weeks - Mass exodus from cities as dead cant be picked up, personal safety make it a need, food is gone, the masses are searching for food and escaping the death trap and dire situation of cities.
4 weeks- first water borne illnesses are killing people, dysentery as all water ways are overflowing with sewage, shore water is undrinkable.
4 weeks 8-10% of city population will be dead, medication dependant people will have run out of medications.
4 weeks - first onset of starvation occurs with more people already weak from water, start to die off in great numbers
2 months - 30% of population will be dead
6 months - 50% of population will be dead
12 months - 90% has perished

You ask how could 90% be dead. The North American Electrical grid is controlled by 31 super nodes, transformer distribution stations. These stations are size of 10 football fields, take 1.5yrs to design and build and are currently manufactured overseas. With no transport structure, this will complicate restoral of service. Very little if anything infrastructure related is EMP hardened - even the Military. It is well known, and Trump released a strategy last week with a 10 yr plan to work with Private industry. It is not just that, most if sub stations, pole transformers will be destroyed, along with transmission lines that carry that power in communities. EMP waves E1, E2, E3 all have wave forms that destroy electrical circuits from 2" transmission lines, to micro chip transistors, nothing is safe, unless you have a "faraday cage". A FC could be as simple as galvanized garbage can (youtube), and is good to protect your "preps", of FRS, radio, solar gear, ect, ect.

All preppers eventually get the point when you ask yourself...what do I after a year and the food runs out I stored. It eventually takes you down the path to self sufficiency and a Homestead life. One in which, has defendable plan. As you move into this lifestyle of preparedness, you meet like minded people who form Mutual Assistance Group (MAG), who devise a plan to meet and defend a central location.

It is all fine if you move to the country, however the city will catch up to as the cities empty, because they are death centers.

All this for a 1% of 1% chance..

My .02 cents

Rule of 3's
3 minutes without air
3 days without water
30 days without food

[js4fn]

This thread is mostly for fun. But just think of all the things in the world that run on a small chip. That says China on it. What if China has a back door to all these chips. Piss em off click chips die. Interesting huh

Prepper can have 7 years of food supply sound great till you have to bug out only carry so much.