Gun related deaths.

[Gilroy]

Suicide is the leading cause of death due to
injury in Northern Ontario. In the Northwest,
the potential years of life lost due to suicide are
approximately 300% greater than that of Ontario.
In the Northeast, the potential years of life lost
due to suicide are 50% greater for men and more
than 80% greater for women than in the general
Ontario population.20 Suicide rates, especially
among youth, are much higher in Indigenous
populations. Across Canada, the suicide rate
among First Nations youth is five to seven
times higher than among youth in the Canadian
population as a whole.21 There is currently a state
of crisis that continues in remote First Nations
communities across the North, and communities
are experiencing trauma from losing their youth
to suicide. In the past 10 years, 42% of suicides
among Aboriginal youth in the North have
occurred in just seven remote, Northern Ontario
Indigenous communities.22

https://www.hqontario.ca/Portals/0/d...-report-en.pdf

[mosquito]

So you are blaming suicides by rural older men on the government. Look at the dates of the study. Cons. in power for much of it. Next.

OK, I think most that think have figured it out long ago... but as usual ignoring FMC is shown easier than presenting the truth to him but I will try even smaller words....

1) Study represents small portion of TOTAL suicides
2) The diagram I posted above is in the middle of that period
3) This year probably much higher number
4) Conditions in current year are much worse, and causes like desperation, depression exacerbated by gov't decisions, lies and incompetence. (mental health help unavailable, isolation, debt, and fear mongering.... creating as a dark future as they can.

or are you just saying like Elbowgate, SNC, Admiral Norman, WE ... because it is Liberals and 2020 we don't hold the current gov't responsible for the decisions they make that make it worse when we see a huge spike in suicides of all causes???

ie,the victim is the problem not the one causing the problem

Suicide is the leading cause of death due to
injury in Northern Ontario. In the Northwest,
the potential years of life lost due to suicide are
approximately 300% greater than that of Ontario.
In the Northeast, the potential years of life lost
due to suicide are 50% greater for men and more
than 80% greater for women than in the general
Ontario population.20 Suicide rates, especially
among youth, are much higher in Indigenous
populations. Across Canada, the suicide rate
among First Nations youth is five to seven
times higher than among youth in the Canadian
population as a whole.21 There is currently a state
of crisis that continues in remote First Nations
communities across the North, and communities
are experiencing trauma from losing their youth
to suicide. In the past 10 years, 42% of suicides
among Aboriginal youth in the North have
occurred in just seven remote, Northern Ontario
Indigenous communities.22

https://www.hqontario.ca/Portals/0/d...-report-en.pdf

In the health care feeds I seem them talking about the fact the problem has been greatly increased this year especially among vulnerable demographics! The human costs in suicides, depression etc. will far exceed COVID I would say but it will take time (probably several years or more) and a diligent examination of the data to correlate the causes and final impact (if it is ever done).

This is about the suicide of a 12 year old boy whose father blames the death on the COVID environment (not the virus)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id8Uq_339xM

There are people we can impact and I know I have someone I reach out to a couple times a week even if it is just a simple ping on email.

[Tigboy 304]

I look at it this way other than being terminally ill there is no other logical reason to commit suicide. Whether it be by gun, knife, pills, or whatever method one choses. As long as no one else is physically hurt in the process by all means go ahead and do it as only a lunatic would consider something so drastic and idiotic it's their life let them go ahead and do it in most cases the world will be a better place for it.

[Gilroy]

I look at it this way other than being terminally ill there is no other logical reason to commit suicide. Whether it be by gun, knife, pills, or whatever method one choses. As long as no one else is physically hurt in the process by all means go ahead and do it as only a lunatic would consider something so drastic and idiotic it's their life let them go ahead and do it in most cases the world will be a better place for it.

Well I can think of many other reasons a person could be driven to suicide,depression,loss of loved one,drug addiction,PTSD,......No one else might be physically harmed but what about mentally harmed,a suicide affects many more than the victim,it created more victims.

[fishermccann]

So Mosq are you saying that the rate of suicide deaths when the cons. were in power was not the fault of the government , but when the libs. are in power, it can be attributed to them? We will never no how bad the suicidal rate would have risen under the cons. during covid, but you can bet that without the financial aid given by the feds, it would be much higher. Would the cons. have given that aid, (like the rest of the developed world), thankfully we will never know.

[fishermccann]

As one who has lived rural for at least 50 years of my 64, I can offer a few theories. As we get older, many people find that due to deteriorating health issues, relocating closer to medical services is almost a must? Generally, that means packing up, selling the place and giving up on the lifestyle they love. The lifestyle of the city, that they so hated, is staring them down and they don't like it! Faced with few options, a lot of folks just lose their spirit and give up. Throw into the mix, perhaps they've lost their spouse, or it may well be the spouse who needs to move closer to medical care? Either way, it can cause a person to lose their lust for life.
Personally, I just can't imagine myself faced with the situation of having to pack up and move, but i know it may happen at some point in the future as I get older. For now, I just enjoy what I have and where I'm doing it.

BM that was the insightful, realistic kind of comment I was looking for, when I started this thread. Politics had-has nothing to do with it, and I would have preferred it did not raise its ugly head on this thread. Alas it was not to be.

[trimmer21]

Ah brother we must remember our own words and I quote

"I agree with most of your post,but,freedom and liberty should never be sacrificed for any reason,especially,under the guise of "a good cause". Doing so puts us on the slippery slope that Canada seems to be on,now."

I don't think that quote applies here,Gilroy. It was in a different thread with a different subject,was it not?

So you are blaming suicides by rural older men on the government. Look at the dates of the study. Cons. in power for much of it. Next.

So Mosq are you saying that the rate of suicide deaths when the cons. were in power was not the fault of the government , but when the libs. are in power, it can be attributed to them? We will never no how bad the suicidal rate would have risen under the cons. during covid, but you can bet that without the financial aid given by the feds, it would be much higher. Would the cons. have given that aid, (like the rest of the developed world), thankfully we will never know.

Well,there went the "let's keep the politics out of this" idea,eh,Fish? It was good idea while it lasted,though. Not too late to 'fix" it.

[fishermccann]

Yup, but I did not start it , and well well look at who did. As some would say, 'the usual suspect'. BMoose's post was more of what I was striving for.

[Gilroy]

I don't think that quote applies here,Gilroy. It was in a different thread with a different subject,was it not?

Yes it was,my bad.Sorry

[greatwhite]

4.6 Link Between Overall Availability of Firearms and Suicide

The observed correlation between firearm availability and suicide in general (Killias, 1993; 1993a; 1993b; 1996; Gabor, 1994; 1995) is not as solid as some might expect. In Canada, provincial comparisons of firearm ownership levels and overall rates of suicide found that levels of firearm ownership had no correlation with regional suicide rates (Carrington and Moyer, 1994a: 172). Furthermore, the Canadian rate of firearm suicides has dropped without evidence of a similar reduction in the rate of firearm ownership.

At the very least, this observation suggests that the overall availability of firearms is not the only factor that affects the suicide rate, or even the rate of firearm suicides. There are frequent variations in firearm suicide rates that cannot be attributed directly to a change in the availability of firearms or of alternate methods. Carrington and Moyer (1994) observed that in some provinces, the rate of suicides involving other methods has declined since 1978 in a manner similar to that of the firearm suicide rate. They discovered no obvious reason for this and none attributable directly to the prevalence of firearms or the existence of new firearm regulations.