Should the coronavirus vaccine be mandatory

[fishfood]

Is it not what we are experiencing now without a vaccine?

Yeah pretty much

It sounds like they have no clue what will happen when it arrives in big numbers.

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[fishermccann]

Fox. Just like buying a car, don’t get the first year of a new model.

[fishfood]

The good thing is that the government is dragging things so much the rest of the world will have the vaccine before Canada, so if it is dangerous we will know about it before it gets here.

When it does get here the weakest will get it first, again, we will know if they all die that it is dangerous. By the time it gets to the average Joe and Jane all the bugs will be known.

Apparently we won't be waiting to long . Maybe the general public but 125 thousand people could be vaccinated in the coming weeks.
That's a small sample study .

https://beta.ctvnews.ca/national/cor...1_5220229.html

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[fishfood]

Fox. Just like buying a car, don’t get the first year of a new model.

But your Eger to jump on it and tell others they should get it .

Booo

LoL [emoji1787]

It's ok I know others that are waiting for it as well. Just not my cup a tea yet I will still be following the guidelines to prevent the spread .

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[MikePal]

When it does get here the weakest will get it first, again, we will know if they all die that it is dangerous. By the time it gets to the average Joe and Jane all the bugs will be known.

Does make one wonder why they are giving it to our front line essential workers first...let's give an experimental vaccine to all our health care workers first....then who's going to take care of them if they all have bad reactions..risk assessment skills ...C- Haha...

[JBen]

Take this for what it's worth ( Not a lot). You can google the author on your own. I did, I fact check a lot. Still doesn't mean much That said, everything I've read about it makes sense.

Will I get it?
yep, as soon as I can. What's the worst that can happen? Kill me? I'm on borrowed time anyways.

While Covid may not be as deadly to healthy people as first feared it's still freaking nasty. But co morbidities this, co morbidities that. If you eat french fries every day and end up with high cholesterol, have a heart attack and die. What killed you? french fries? My mother caught a cold, it developed into pnuemonia, which led to a heart attack. Did a cold kill her?

I can't figure this world out. Its gone absolutely bat poop crazy. Half the population screaming for lockdowns, the people hurting screaming to stay open. Half the population is in the SS employed coasting to shore, half the population in a leaky boat sinking fast. The sooner we knock this down, the better for everyone no matter which boat your on. And every month that goes by we are hearing more and more about "long covid" and even healthy, young adults ending up with organ damage.....I read an article today about inflation on food. Expected to be 7% this coming year adding hundreds of dollars to everyones food budgets. Problems with production and supply logistics.......So yeah, lets puck this vaccine up too federally, while the populace worries about a new drug. Should I or shouldn't I.

The two most powerful motivators in the world are fear and greed. The world seems to have them both on steroids.
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Thoughts about the COVID vaccine from one of my smartest friends in grad school Gary P. Chimes, written by one of his smartest friends from med school:
COVID VACCINE HESITANCY?
The FDA is likely going to approve the Pfizer Covid vaccine when they meet on December 10th. The Moderna vaccine will probably be approved shortly thereafter. This is an incredible feat of modern medicine, and our best chance to hopefully get our lives back to near normal relatively soon. However, it is new and it was done quickly, so understandably, people may be hesitant to get it; even people who vaccinate against all other diseases.
Will I be getting the vaccine? ABSOLUTELY. As a physician, I will probably have the opportunity to be immunized prior to New Year's and yes, I will be taking it as soon as possible.
But, it is a new vaccine technology and done in record time, so aren't I worried about its safety? Nope, not any more so than any other vaccine or other medical intervention.
Why? Let's start with how this vaccine works. This is an mRNA vaccine. Past vaccines typically use a live but weakened "attenuated" virus, or dead viral material "inactivated" virus, or a piece of the virus's protein or even a toxin produced by the virus. The Covid vaccine is very different. It contains mRNA (messenger genetic material) that encodes for the Covid spike protein. This causes your cells to then produce the Covid spike protein. In contrast, when you are sick with Covid, the virus hijacks your cell to produce many copies of the entire virus. Then it destroys the cell, busting it open to release its newly formed viral particles. When your cells release just the spike protein, it will stimulate your immune system to form antibodies to the Covid spike protein without you getting sick. There is no possibility of getting Covid from the vaccine. When your body is subsequently exposed to Covid, it will quickly recognize the spike protein and destroy it before it can make you sick. This was 95% effective in preventing Covid, which is an even better percentage than most other vaccines. However, you must take both doses (about 3-4 weeks apart).
Am I concerned about it being new? And previously untested? No, I'm not. This type of technology is not entirely new. It has been studied and used in cancer research. They have been making mRNA vaccines and studying them to specifically target proteins on tumor cells and train your immune system to then destroy the tumor. In this case, it is not a vaccine in the preventive sense, as it is targeted to a tumor that you already have. It is not currently widespread because it has to be custom made for each tumor. But, it has been "around the block" for a while now. The technology was also being studied for other Coronaviruses. It never came to fruition, because the diseases never reached pandemic proportions, and then the funding dried up. The mRNA does not enter the nucleus of the cell, and it does not affect your DNA, and therefore has no lasting impact on your cell.
Am I concerned about the speed with which it was developed? Weren't significant corners cut in order to get this out so quickly? No and no. What was cut out of the equation was mostly red tape, and what was added was technology and funding. We were given the genetic code by scientists in China to start vaccine production in January; before Covid was even documented to have reached our shores. From there, the vaccine was developed from the technology we had from the prior Coronavirus and cancer research, and was completed in March. Normally, there would be months of waiting for the FDA to even look at the work done prior to approving Phase 1 trials. Because of the urgent nature of this, it was essentially put on the top of the wait pile, which cut out months of waiting, but did not cut any corners. Between the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines (both mRNA, with a slightly different delivery system), they were tested in 37,000 people in Phase 3 (and an additional 37,000 received a placebo). That is on par with, if not better than the vaccines currently available.
Aren't I concerned that the FDA is about to approve it, and there may be side effects that haven't been seen yet? Nope on this one too. We know from decades of vaccine research, since you typically just get 1, 2 or 3 doses and then you are done with it, that nearly all side effects from vaccines occur in the first 6 weeks. Like other vaccines, minor side effects may occur(soreness at injection site, muscle aches, fever). Severe adverse reactions are extremely rare, and again, occur quickly if they are going to occur at all. As a healthy 40-something year old woman, my risk of dying from Covid is about 1 in 250 to 1 in a 1,000. That is not a rare event! And even if I don't die from it, I could have long term lung damage and other issues that affect my quality of life. Because vaccines are given to healthy people (unlike medications for treating a disease that is already present) they are held to a much higher standard for approval. My risk of having a significant adverse reaction from the Covid vaccine is minuscule in comparison to my risk with Covid. In fact, there have been no severe reactions to the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine to date.
For the rest of the population (outside of healthcare workers or those in nursing homes), who will likely be able to get the vaccine in February or March, there will be even more time passed and more people who have received the vaccine to be the "guinea pigs" here.
Anyone who is pregnant - it has not yet been tested in your group (although I do know that many pregnant front line health care workers are planning to take it). For those under 18 years old - it is also not yet tested. Moderna will be starting a trial shortly. Hopefully it will be approved by summer. But for everyone else, I highly recommend getting it as soon as you can; for you, for your loved ones, for those who cannot (perhaps because they are immunocompromised), for the many businesses that are on the verge of permanent shut down, and for kids to safely return to schools. I will be rolling up my sleeve for it as soon as it is offered.
If you'd like, please do feel free to cut and paste on your own social media sites. Sharing of information is so important to combating this pandemic. We have now surpassed 15 million documented Covid cases in our country (5 million of which were in the last 30 days) and over 2,000 people are dying per day. I do not plan on making the post shareable, as I don't need militant anti-vaxers tracking me down.
Samara Friedman, M.D.
Orthopaedic Surgery
(While, I am not an expert in vaccines, as a physician, I do have the necessary skills to interpret medical studies and evaluate data. Additionally, I have been listening to the experts in virology, infectious disease, and epidemiology.)

[Gilroy]

Thanks JBEN.

[fishermccann]

Ditto!!!

[onelessarrow]

https://youtu.be/Tq8SXOBy-4w
I wonder when the suppression of facts will take over as the leading cause of covid deaths. It may have already taken the lead actually.
Let's see how the cult leaders spin this one.

[impact]

For all you people in a big rush to get the vaccine please have a look at the data sheet associated with the roll out happening in the UK.
They rushed it and there are many unknowns at this time. However, if you proceed please keep us informed.

https://assets.publishing.service.go...fessionals.pdf

No data are available

4.5 Interaction with other medicinal products and other forms of interaction No interaction studies have been performed.
Animal reproductive toxicity studies have not been completed.

For women of childbearing age, pregnancy should be excluded before vaccination. In addition, women of childbearing age should be advised to avoid pregnancy for at least 2 months after their second dose.

Fertility - It is unknown whether COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 has an impact on fertility.

However, some of the adverse reactions mentioned under section 4.8 may temporarily affect the ability to drive or use machines.


not known (cannot be estimated from available data).

Musculoskeletal and connective tissue disorders Very common: Arthralgia; myalgia General disorders and administration site condition Very common: Injection-site pain; fatigue; chills; pyrexia

.......and so on.