Mike,Originally Posted by MikePal
I really think they are looking at CERB as a social experiment to pave the way for a basic income program. The issue, the way I see it is, is that people want a basic income but they do not want to live a basic life. I'd feel better about keeping them in EI and offering them free education and free training to break the cycle of poverty. Throwing money at the issue does not fix anything it just creates another problem.
Your right, the socialist have been wanting to do this for some time. They think that these 'poor' people will spend their (our) money and stimulate the economy. Problem is they shop primarily at Costco and Walmart....so other than a few retail jobs, none of the money stays in Canada and there is no stimulation, just people spending money, they didn't earn, on new TV.s
It has been transitioned to the E.I. dept now, so some of the waste will be eliminated...like paying the Cake lady $18k because she might loose some of her $5 k income...
I can only imagine how many of the 800,000 receipts have similar stories.
Last edited by MikePal; December 15th, 2020 at 07:53 AM.
Update:
The CRA has sent out letters to 'many' people who may not be entitled top the CERB...
I can't believe that the CRA sent out CERB payments to people who hadn't filled 2019 Tax returns to support their claim of previous income.
“Individuals who have received this letter should not interpret it as a determination that they have definitively been deemed ineligible for the CERB; what the letter means is that the CRA does not yet have the information needed to confirm that they are in fact eligible for the benefit,” a CRA spokesperson wrote in an email.
The Canada Revenue Agency has sent 441,000 “educational” letters to Canadians who may need to repay the Canada Emergency Response Benefit (CERB) they received during the spring and summer months.
In a statement, the CRA said the agency sent the letters to people who received the CERB benefit, but the CRA has been unable to confirm their eligibility for the program, possibly because they did not file their taxes in 2019.
The CRA said this latest letter “strongly encourages” those who received it to file their 2019 tax returns as soon as possible.
“We expect this will likely be the case for many of the individuals who receive this letter,” the agency said.
The CRA said the CERB eligibility criteria for income includes gross income on a T4 slip, commission income, tips or royalties, honoraria, non-eligible dividends earned instead of payment, net self-employment income and maternity and parental benefits.
CERB recipients who do not meet the eligibility criteria will be required to repay the amount they received and are being encouraged to do so before the end of the year so it doesn’t impact their 2020 tax return, though this is not a deadline and those applied for the benefit earnestly will not be charged interest.
The CRA added that so far 995,000 CERB payments have already been repaid through their online portal.
“The CRA is sympathetic to the fact that, for some individuals, repayment of these amount may have financial implications,” the statement read. “Individuals who cannot make a payment in full are advised to contact the CRA to make a payment arrangement.”
Last month, the CRA sent 213,000 letters to Canadians who may have received two CERB payments instead of just the one. The most recent letters are “distinctly different” from the ones sent in November, however the CRA said it’s possible some CERB recipients will have received both.
I can't believe what's being uncovered after the fact, it sure shows the level of incompetence by the sitting Government and the CRA. The total disregard for the taxpayers money at such a this level should be deemed criminal.
Last edited by MikePal; December 15th, 2020 at 08:10 AM.
Yes, not to mention sending 441,000 letters out at $1.20 per. That’s not counting the costs to produce them.....more wasted tax dollars !!
“If you’re not a Liberal by twenty, you have no heart. If you’re not a Conservative by forty, you have no brain.”
-Winston Churchill
Wait, what you are talking about there was what Mike Harris developed, a system of "work for welfare". That is considered cruel and unusual punishment. Why should you have to better your life or do something for the community to get societies money.
This is not a millennial problem, had an argument with a woman this summer who is in her 50s who believed that everything should be paid for by the government because she deserves it. She has no savings, no equity, no job and does not believe she should have to do anything to pay for the services or support she wants to get. She also does not believe she should have to pay any taxes because she put in enough time over her lifetime.
All I thought was wow, time to build my farm up even more so that I can minimize what I have to buy and what has to be seen by the feds.
There's a hard luck story in today's citizen about a woman being asked to pay back 18,500 in wrongfully collected CERB and payments from the program that followed that. She had a home business decorating cakes and her gross income was over 5k, but net income was under 5k. She thought she qualified based on gross, but has been notified by CRA that she does not based on net. She collected 18,500 to replace her lost 4-5k income. She couldn't see anything wrong with what she did and blames CRA - apparently the word "net" was only added to the CRA wording for CERB elegibility on April 21. But still, I'm really having trouble feeling sorry for her.
Look at how well handing out money works to the natives.
Trudeau Give me my money.
That's making the rounds, and I think the same lady Mike is referencing.
For me, it would boil down to what her hubby made in 2019. As I tend to think of "households".
So she personally cashed in large, abused the system and netted say an extra 12k.
Maybe her husbands income this year is -20k and as a result they are barely paying the bills.
No doubt there are also households out there, where in 2019 the couple grossed $160,000.
One never lost their job or hours and for 2020 will gross 120,000. The other claimed CERB and collected 18,000.
Net 2020 household income 138,000. Here's a violin.
Households with 3 or more people in workforce. Aka adult children living at home.
$6,000 per month collected. I've heard stories of households getting 8 and 10k
Who is abusing things more?
Basic income.
Shame Ford killed the pilots, especially now with Covid. We might, might have a better idea of whether or not they might work. The key, ultimately would be "ok, fine basic income"...
people get $1,000 or $2000 a month on top of what the make at their jobs.
How are we going to change taxation ( where/how its raised.....where/how it's spent) outside of the ubi.
UBI itself, is only half the equation.
And damned straight Mike, over the last 20 years, as more and more and more people flock to Walmart and foreign made crap.................Because that's what in their budgets.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...come-1.5119259
Last edited by JBen; December 15th, 2020 at 01:32 PM.
And theres also this.
https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article...ome-experiment
The Village Idiot is doing exactly as expected...he's NOT going to make people give back the money they weren't entitled too.
Worse the guy who holds JT by the ball sack is wholly on board too and doesn't want the CRA to 'claw' back any of the $18K ea of the kids took off the Canadian taxpayers...Faced with the issue, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said the government didn't give aid to vulnerable people to pay the bills through the pandemic "to then claw it back afterwards."
"We need to have a system that goes after people who are deliberately trying to defraud the system," he said Wednesday in an interview with The Canadian Press. "But people who received money that they needed, or made good-faith mistakes about the application, should not worry about it."
Leader Jagmeet Singh said Thursday he didn't want the government to just put off collection efforts, but put a halt to them altogether, particularly for vulnerable youth.
"Issue a directive right away to say, 'CRA do not go after these workers, do not go after these artists do not go after young people that are vulnerable,'" he said during a virtual press conference.
Well he's caught in a lie again.. seems they are $Billions for some....but how did the Village Idiot respond to the vets asking for assistance:
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canad...ns/ar-BB1c06Gm"Why are we still fighting certain veterans groups in court? Because they're asking for more than we are able to give right now," Trudeau said, answering a question from a veteran, who said he lost his leg to an improvised explosive device in Afghanistan, during a town hall meeting on Thursday evening in Edmonton.
Last edited by MikePal; December 18th, 2020 at 11:41 AM.
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