Carbon Tax increases NOT put on hold

[Jakezilla]

As usual Rex Murphy nails it.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rex...stmas-stocking

Regarding Climate Science

"Global warming science is a hodgepodge of wild models, failed predictions, overzealous researchers, and a great clutter of thousands of advocacy organizations that have been bellowing “the science is settled” when it so plainly isn’t and can’t be, for over two decades now.

It has no precision, no empirical measurement, no replication. It does not follow the canons of experiment and observation. It is a vague cloud of passionate alarmism linked to the feverish religiosity of radical environmentalism, and far too closely resembling, if not replicating, the outbursts of millenarianism that have been the hallmark of irrationality through the centuries."

Regarding the carbon tax

"It cannot work is the next objection. A so-called carbon tax in Canada is not and can never be the answer to global warming. Now, if Canada had a population of two billion people and was building coal mines faster than a swarm of gophers at a Bill Murray golf course, were our two billion citizens embarked on the greatest industrial drive in the history of mankind — then perhaps we might claim that a change in our policies would have global impact.

But we are not. We are a fragment of a fragment in this presumed problem. It’s as if P.E.I. (beautiful place) were the only province in Canada with such a (useless) tax, claiming that this would cleanse the rest of the entire country.

Where does this delusionary fixation that Canada has the means, the stature, and the key to solving global warming come from?"

[Fox]

And no doubt Medium density on your Hydro rate

If that was directed to me, nope, we have a small farm, we have the highest residential hydro rate in the province yet we are considered part of the city when it comes to the Liberal rebates.

[MarkB]

Being a good leader means making hard decisions.

Lets see what Mr O Toole proposes from his soapbox, the public have already spoken on pipe lines in the last election ,do you need a replay.

I'd love to see Mr. O'Toole walk all over Trudeau and leave him in the dust, when it comes to handling this country ... it would be like having the Undertaker in the wrestling ring ... a Pee Wee Herman (Trudeau) in the other corner ... it would be fun to watch, and we all know who would win!

[MarkB]

I just want to publicly thank the leader of the opposition Erin O'Toole for supporting the Paris Climate Accord. Also for agreeing with Alberta that we need a Carbon Tax, as Alberta was the first Province to propose one.

Pleas enjoy the video and attached links, I 'am going to make some pop corn.LOL

"Polling conducted in Canada made it clear in the last election the lack of a serious climate change plan was a factor for those who voted against the Conservatives. A lack of a serious plan will jeopardize the party's future chances."
Moving to O'Toole's “criteria” is where things get most interesting. It is where the Conservatives have boxed themselves into a corner by stating that policies will be “founded on proven market-based principles for incenting positive economic change,” “making industry pay,” “forging a national … pricing regime” and “simplifying the tax code.”

This sounds very much like a carbon tax, or certainly a carbon-pricing mechanism of some design. Perhaps like the one in Alberta, or the cap and trade system that Doug Ford scrapped in Ontario, or Manitoba’s new Green Levy, or the output-based performance standard Saskatchewan is proposing — all variations of a national pricing system. So, after all the political posturing and bluster, the good news is it looks like the Conservatives are, in fact, proposing a carbon price, just don’t call it a tax!

Alberta once proudly declared it was the first jurisdiction in Canada to price carbon — a truth now lost on many Conservatives.

https://www.nationalobserver.com/202...nt-call-it-tax

And now the movie to follow:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9IeR3SPsYc

Man ... you just don't get it ... it's like talking to my teenager! Here, I'm gonna spell it out for you! Proceed to next line below.

(1) Fighting climate change is good ... did you understand that point, if so nod! Good, let's go to point (2).
(2) One way of fighting climate change is incentivizing good behaviour, and penalizing bad behavior. Got it, once again nod ... and then proceed to (3)
(3) Taxation on it's own won't work well, unless the revenue is used to fight climate change, for instance to subsidize the implementation of energy reduction initiatives ... got it .... nod ... we are done our lesson for today ... I'm sure it was a lot for you to process.

[MarkB]

If you cannot afford to live where you do. Move. I think most city apartment dwellers, would love to live in a single detached house in the country, but they can't afford it.

Who's talking about affordability??? We are talking about a stupid tax, that does nothing but line Trudeau's pockets and pay for his chef and nanny. We are allowed to gripe about that ... as usual fishy twisting the point around! LOL ... you love being a troll.

[JBen]

If you cannot afford to live where you do. Move. I think most city apartment dwellers, would love to live in a single detached house in the country, but they can't afford it.

You really don't think things through do you?
Why can't they afford it Gord? Here's hint, lack of decent jobs and median DUO incomes <<$60,000 And furthermore, what does that mean for the black hole, otherwise known as the Center of the Universe..........Heres a hint. Stupid housing prices be that to own or rent. So they are kind of butt pucked arent they? That deomographic you lefties claim to care about.

Gilroy, yeah its kind of "crazy". One other huge difference between Nat Gas and propane.
LNG: prices are regulated....To avoid huge swings and volatility.
Prop: un-regulated so prices can soar over night. I don't recall the year, but it was a few before we moved here. People were paying $1,000/month to heat their homes.

Fox:
yeah, meant you. So low density rates. Ouch

[Jakezilla]

If you cannot afford to live where you do. Move. I think most city apartment dwellers, would love to live in a single detached house in the country, but they can't afford it.

If the peasants have no bread....let them eat cake.

[fishermccann]

If someone was to say that they could not afford to live in their bungalow in East York anymore. The first thing that any financial advisor would suggest would be to make the move to a place you could afford. Why should it be any different for people in Peterborough?

[MarkB]

If someone was to say that they could not afford to live in their bungalow in East York anymore. The first thing that any financial advisor would suggest would be to make the move to a place you could afford. Why should it be any different for people in Peterborough?

Yup, good solution there fishy ... let's tax people to the point where they can't afford their home, and have to move away ... yes, good one .... I'm sure even you socialists would love being forced from your home because of taxes. LOL.

[JBen]

Actually, no Mr I'm going to live on easy street and help break the back of the peasants.

First any FA worth their salt would do. Is look at their spending habits. You know, their budget? The next thing they might do, is try to determine if there are ways to increase revenue. Maybe it means one spouse can longer work PT and 24hrs/week. Maybe it means trying to find a job that pays a bit more. In the city, that's a realistic possibility. Maybe it means selling the 2nd vehicle and taking the TTC more. Have to help the planet, so win/win. Maybe it means robbing Peter to pay Paul. Depending on their tax bracket, it might be worth considering taking 20k out of an RSP and paying down the mtg/debt some...

But lets follow your advice.
Lets assume that couple with two kids bought that bunglow sometime in the last 10 years. How large is their mortgage? Pretty freaking large. What are wartime bungalows going for in PTBO these days. Over $450,000. So depending on their existing mtg and equity, how much of their debt load can they jettison.

How they going to pay their new mtg, when jobs that pay 40k are few and far between.
Hydro ( more expensive)
Home heating ( more expensive)
Gas/fuel and maintenance ( more expensive)
house/car insurance...A wee bit cheaper
Food ( mainly the same, but some things like Hydro can be more expensive) How much does Milk cost in Scarborough, how much does it cost to ship it to "ptbo".
Land taxes: A little cheaper, but you get far fewer services.
Have I mentioned children?

You know sometimes, if you would simply pause to think things through.....whether stupid comments like the last few or yesterday and someone living along transit lines.........Living in the country is not cheaper, that's a myth. What is "true" is that people live smaller, things like go to shows and bars, restaurants, the fast life.....The kinds of things that are accelerating GW...