GOODBYE and Thanks for all the fish..

[JBen]

Problem is finding moderators who can agree with each other on when too much becomes too much. I absolutely detest censorship in any form but this being a corporate site they must be politically correct. I also hate political correctness so I wasn't much of a moderator for this site.

Politics, even within a conservation group or amongst admins????
Say it ain't so
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Is it possible to make Off topics not part of the forum new posts section?

If that can be toggled off, "maybe".
Or a quasi waiver..."click" this box if you want to see those forums.

[gbk]

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What would the world be like if we all ignored the "agitators", because keeping the peace makes for a happier place...
/smirk

One thing JBen is having an opinion, and perhaps standing for it,and another thing is- which is killing the Forum(sort of)is the constant ,never ending ,over and over firing and firing and firing back .
Just to make a point.

Sort of a Forum bullying, in my opinion.

[mosquito]

One thing JBen is having an opinion, and perhaps standing for it,and another thing is- which is killing the Forum(sort of)is the constant ,never ending ,over and over firing and firing and firing back .
Just to make a point.

Sort of a Forum bullying, in my opinion.

I tend to agree that it is bullying and happening but it is better let an idiot spout and see them for what they are and perhaps (if it is worth the effort) correct them.

When you start censoring beyond threats and personal insults it comes down the interpretation of the censor/moderator ... a moderators job should be to break up fights and perhaps censor when the line of debate crosses into personal repeated attacks or threats. Political correctness and censoring based on that is nothing more than the dumbing down of discussion and thought.


Jordan Peterson has over and over spoken on Political Correctness and free speech and the distortion of facts and has said very often that the search for truth requires multiple sources sometimes.

Here he is talking about an interview where the "journalist" was actually an advocate for censored speech.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH1U9k0dwzI

"Truth eludes us if we do not pursue it with constant attention." - Alexander Solzhenitsyn (Russian novelist and later prof. at Harvard)

"Merely having an open mind is nothing; the object of opening a mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid." G.K. Chesterton

Without both sides of a story ...

"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." - Winston Churchill

[JBen]

I get that gbk, and I am very cognizant of things. In an effort to keep it short and sweet.

Nobody should be expected to put with crap in life. Not here, not anywhere. Would it be fair to expect some business owner that’s going to declare bankruptcy next week to shut it. Just to keep the peace......

Another way to word it, articulate it. There are those that intentionally twist words, or ABC...

One last way.
In essence you “disagreed”.
When we reply with quote. We pretty much trigger a reply. Was I bothered by yours? Take exception to anything? Is there anything in my reply, that might cause you to fire back?

Will say, about the only time I reply/quote. Is when I’m in agreement.

[sawbill]

The problem is quite simple: each has to get the last word in. So the only way to end that is shut the thread down.

[mosquito]

The problem is quite simple: each has to get the last word in. So the only way to end that is shut the thread down.

Shutting down the thread is often the only option that will work but not having this section or blocking some people is useless since if someone wants to they can create a new account in seconds and the shutdown of discussion never benefits the truth. .

[smitty55]

I wouldn't cancel my mag subscriptions or cancel my OFAH membership over some idiot trolls. That's like cutting off your nose to spite your face. If the trolls are bothering you that much,simply log out and never log in,again. Problem solved. It sure worked for me with Facebook and Twitter.

I have all three of them on ignore so I don't ever see their posts unless they get quoted. Thing is that they often ruin what should be a good thread. For sure they wouldn't be tolerated on a couple of other fishing forums I'm in.
As for never logging in to FB like you suggest, that's even worse, more like cutting your head off. I'm a member of many outdoor groups on FB, including fishing groups like 613Fishing that I enjoy participating in. 613IceFishing is already going bonkers with fish daily.You can chat live sometimes. The mods there don't put up at all with the type of BS that gets thrown around here by a few certain individuals, they are quickly given the boot. 8000 members and if you start slagging other members for things like keeping their limit of fish or even posting hot spots your post is quickly removed and so are you. Hence there are never any issues like we regularly see here. They do have their issues at times though, but more related to things like newbie members always sending pms to posters asking for locations, tactics etc instead of actually going out and doing the work involved to learn themselves. Besides, at least in FB you can block someone.

The other issue is that who knows how many members here have just stopped participating in this forum due to all the conflict, let alone new members that join and then see the crap on some of these threads and then just leave for good. So why not just deal with the cause of the problem and

As for mags, it's to each their own on where they choose to spend their money. Say what you want, this OOD forum reflects on the magazine itself to some degree. Besides, with all the online entertainment available now when it comes to the outdoors I don't think there's any doubt that magazine sales as a whole have sharply dropped over the last 10 years. All it takes is for a consumer of any product and for whatever reason to get a negative vibe about that entity/name and there's a potential customer lost. In fact, I have a totally pertinent example. I've had an Outdoor Canada subscription for a long time. A while back they put out an editorial from the chief editor on climate change and as I was in the can reading my new mag I was somewhat astonished that I would read what came across to me as somewhat of a global warming alarmist, and how Canada had to do their part. In fact for me, coming from from a Canadian outdoor mag I was somewhat put off by the article. Then two issues later in the "dispatches" where they post and respond to "letters to the editor" they printed a response to the article from a reader who had a differing opinion for his leanings so to speak. So the big kahuna, he kinda called out the guy and the basis of his somewhat feeble response imo was that Canada had a worse per capita output than China. Really, Like WTF, we are like a grain of sand in the big picture with our forests. Anyway, that response to a reader I felt was in poor taste and just rubbed me the wrong way. There was another comment too on the same subject many issues later. I still have one more year left in my sub and I will not be renewing it. Maybe I'll switch back to In-Fisherman again.

Cheers

[MikePal]

You don't own the site, so your a guest. Don't like the way its run, move on. Its not about your "freedoms" when your on a privately owned forum.

Small clarification....The term that is used for most forums is that some companies or organisations 'Host' them. Such as OOD. In exchange It allows a place for advertisements by suppliers etc on the pages.

Forum contents are 'owned' by the members of the forum. Most forums have volunteers that moderate the content and keep things civil and within the rules of conduct supplied by the 'Host' or administrates representing the Host.

Without a membership contributing and participating on the forum, it ceases to exist.

It's obvious from this thread that there is a problem with handful of guys who post only to antagonise others by deliberately posting inflammatory, irrelevant, or offensive comments. Many good threads get ruined by their antics and it has driven a lot of members away.

a couple of examples from the guys we're referring too:

to quote verbatim.

.." Sometimes the wife sees me smiling as I converse with you gentlemen, and asks why. I reply , ' I've really got them going today'. "


..."OOps I guess you will have to be now that I am your ignore list which I take as a badge of honour."

Is it possible to make Off topics not part of the forum new posts section?

I mean I dont expect to just get rid of Off topics as it does serve a purpose, But when it's got the most traffic and new users come on and thats all they see is constant bickering and political stuff it will drive them away? Or just shy away from posting as all they read is people jumping all over each other all the time.

SongDog is right, The Off topic area is a great place to have discussions on the news of the day etc and it should be supported. But it needs to be taken off the 'Daily Post or 'Active Post' streams to prevent the rapid paced nonsense, created by the resident Trolls, from overshadowing the post contributions of active members on topics in the Hunting and Fishing forums.

[JBen]

I believe the word we use this days is “Triggering”. On Twitter, we might see “so and so media person triggered Trump”.....

Doesn’t matter how it’s done. Through which means whether an inflammatory comment, twisting words. One problem is it kind of starts “innocently”. No out right crossing the line. But...

Intentionally Triggering.

[impact]

Problem is finding moderators who can agree with each other on when too much becomes too much. I absolutely detest censorship in any form but this being a corporate site they must be politically correct. I also hate political correctness so I wasn't much of a moderator for this site.

One would be naive to believe that this site and others related to guns and ammo is not closely monitored by government agencies. Hence the frustration you probably encountered due to this fact. We are entering a period of civil unrest especially in the US and they will double down on misinformation.

Do not rely on Google, Facebook or MSM for current news on world affairs. There is a reason we are being placed into a lockdown that even city mayors openly agree is unnecessary due to "covid". I am not inciting anything but simply detest censorship as well. People should be allowed to make informed decisions based on various opinions. No one should be bullied or ridiculed by people with a hidden agenda.

Last time I checked it was still in our Canadian charter of rights and freedoms:

"We’re free to think our own thoughts, speak our minds, listen to views of others and express our opinions in creative ways. We’re also free to meet with anyone we wish and participate in peaceful demonstrations. This includes the right to protest against a government action or institution."