New COVID strain, 70% easier to spread.

[MikePal]

So what is the answer to not requiring a health passport? Is shutting down international travel forever, possible? How would we otherwise prove , people are safe to move across boarders?

If logic dictates, then having a results from recent blood work showing you have the Antibodies and are not contagious, should suffice to gain your access to facilities and to travel freely.

It will be interesting to see how they will try to insist (force) that a Vaccine is required, if you have already proven to have the anti-bodies.

By all estimates that would mean about 5 million Canadians have had the virus, recovered and are now are go to go !!

[impact]

So what is the answer to not requiring a health passport? Is shutting down international travel forever, possible? How would we otherwise prove , people are safe to move across boarders? We have nearly 3 million Canadians living abroad, should they not be allowed to return home? Should we be building enough internment camps to hold them all for 14 days, if they desire to come home?

Why? This is why Comrade.

[fishermccann]

The people that put that number on her arm were not trying to protect her .You answered none of the questions posed. I am guessing that from the picture you want no government to control your actions. Anytime, anywhere? Does that include open international boarders? That’s not what I am hearing people want, but just the opposite.

[MikePal]

Well if there is any comfort in all of this is that another more traditional vaccine is about to be approved and released for the UK in the next few days.
It won't be long that Canada will follow suit.

Yea the Head Hoarder bought a bunch of them too...so they'll hit the shores soon.

I like the idea that some of the more 'traditional (non-mRNA vaccines) are finally getting thru the trials. I have much more confidence in them.

good info...

Your body will make different antibodies in response to coronavirus infection than in response to vaccination.

One of these antibodies is called a “spike antibody,” meaning that the antibody is directed at the spikes that surround the virus’s outer shell. The antibody attaches itself to the spikes on the virus in order to prevent the virus from attaching to your body’s healthy cells and causing infection. These are the types of antibodies that COVID-19 vaccines aim to teach your body to make in order to protect against infection.

Natural infection with coronavirus will produce different antibodies. These antibodies can bind to not just the spike, but also to other viral proteins such as the nucleocapsid. Current COVID-19 vaccines in development do not lead to antibodies against the nucleocapsid protein.

The antibody tests currently in use will only detect the second type of antibody that is produced by a natural infection with coronavirus. As time goes on and more vaccine candidates are tested, however, new antibody tests might be developed that also detect antibodies that binds to the virus’s spikes. If this happens, it means you could get a positive antibody test result, even if you have never had been infected with the coronavirus. Health care providers may not interpret your test results correctly as an immune response to a vaccine; they may incorrectly see it as an indication of prior infection with coronavirus. Once an effective vaccine is found and widely administered to the public, testing technology will need to clearly distinguish between vaccine responses and infection.

from: https://www.coronaviruspreventionnet...ibody-science/

[fishfood]

So what is the answer to not requiring a health passport? Is shutting down international travel forever, possible? How would we otherwise prove , people are safe to move across boarders? We have nearly 3 million Canadians living abroad, should they not be allowed to return home? Should we be building enough internment camps to hold them all for 14 days, if they desire to come home?

Thing is it's not shut down now .

You can pretty much go anywhere you you want too. What will be different then?

Air travel is open has been since the beginning .

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[canadaman30]

Sure doesn't look like a lockdown outside. Almost seems like a normal day driving around town this morning.
Thinking of heading upnorth and spend a few days hunting. Not going to let the government tell me how to live my life.

[fishermccann]

How will any traveler prove to the country they are trying to enter, that they are 'safe', to do so? If you do not trust others coming to Canada , without proof of testing or vaccinations, should other countries , even air lines, cruse ships, not be able to do the same. No health passport, ( vaccination), or certified proof of good health, ( antibodies), then you will not be able to travel outside the country. It seems like a reasonable requirement from the country you are trying to enter. If unwilling to do so, it sounds like you will spend the rest of your life within our boarders. Your choice to make.

[MikePal]

I went into town yesterday morn and Walmart looked like it has for months now, not change of flow in and out of that store.

[impact]

The people that put that number on her arm were not trying to protect her .You answered none of the questions posed. I am guessing that from the picture you want no government to control your actions. Anytime, anywhere? Does that include open international boarders? That’s not what I am hearing people want, but just the opposite.

Since your good at asking questions then answer these simple ones.
Why can we not simply use our secure Canadian passport with a vaccination stamp in it signed by an authority such as a doctor or nurse confirming vaccination?
Why does it require an electronic means of tracking people live at all times?
Would the governments not save billions?

[fishermccann]

Okay.. Yes, we should be able to use our passports. I have not heard that an electronic tracking devise will be mandatory. Yes the passport idea will save money, the price of printing a separate vaccination card, to enable international travel, but billions ? If you have to produce proof of vaccination in Canada, for various reasons, many Canadians do not have a passport, should we make them get one?. Now answer mine.