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January 9th, 2021, 11:23 AM
#11
I think there's a big difference between charging by the day and charging for permission. I don't really see the value for the customer paying for one day access you'd probably get a better experience by saving your money for a trip with an outfitter who has done the leg work. I can see the advantage to landowners that's for sure. Like I said before, I'm sure there's somebody out there willing to pay.
Game farms come to mind, you pay a fee for access for a day but included in that fee are a specified number of birds released, it's up to you to do the rest, but there's a clear value that I can justify the cost.
Just my opinion, take it for what it is.
Last edited by dean.f; January 9th, 2021 at 11:34 AM.
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January 9th, 2021 11:23 AM
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January 9th, 2021, 03:00 PM
#12
Not sure why landowners would want to be at the mercy of whoever "landpass" lets on their land..different set of guys every weekend.
Most landowners are smart enough and would rather deal with people they know and trust, especially in these times..
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January 9th, 2021, 03:20 PM
#13

Originally Posted by
kokes
Not sure why landowners would want to be at the mercy of whoever "landpass" lets on their land..different set of guys every weekend.
Most landowners are smart enough and would rather deal with people they know and trust, especially in these times..
But you don't have enough friends that you now and trust to make money from.
All outfitters know the big money comes from strangers flying in from the US. In fact at these rates, this guy is charging rock bottom prices that Canadians will pay, instead of what he usually gets (Probably closer to $1k ) from his clients that aren't coming this year.
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January 9th, 2021, 04:09 PM
#14
When the landowner accepts money for access their liability becomes far more.
Let them ask their insurance agent.
Sorry Trimmer I did see your earlier post.
Last edited by Woodsman; January 9th, 2021 at 04:16 PM.
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January 9th, 2021, 05:04 PM
#15
Might be a good idea. But I'd rather take my chances on crown land that is nearby these people for free. I bet most of these guys are lying through their teeth or just have a million people hunting there. Mostly people that are paying for this are people that are too lazy to scout public land. I've had people tell me they haven't found a single deer sign in public land that was rich with rubs and fresh trails just half-way in. The ONLY situation I might pay for land to hunt on is if I've seen big bucks on it with my own eyes, and even then that's only if my other bush have no deers.
Scout your bushes people.
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- Theodore Roosevelt
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January 9th, 2021, 06:38 PM
#16
I guess it could be is considered a small income stream but I see more issues that what it's worth.
As the land owner what do you do when you have guys that paid to play and think they can do whatever the hell they want on your land - sound hunt/shoot up the place, rut the crap out of it in their quads? The next guy in there will be screwed. What about insurance........you are providing a service and say someone gets hurt. Is the return worth the risk!!??
In Niagara most of the landowners are either anti-hunters (or will not allow hunting on their property), or hunters themselves and/or farmers. I would say that the vast majority of farmers that I know in the Niagara area that have >200 Acres are quite wealthy and would probably say that the headache/risk or leasing out land for pocket change is not worth the hassle.
It is an interesting angle and for some hunters that do not have access (or do not put in the time to get access) to private property this may be an option. But at the end of the day it is a form of prostitution - LOL. You have no idea who was in there before you or what they did.
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January 9th, 2021, 07:01 PM
#17
Personally I would not pay to hunt. I don't seem to have a hard time finding crown or private land, my only problem is getting my in gear.
Seems every farmer I ask give me access to their properties.
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January 9th, 2021, 10:06 PM
#18
how it this much different than outfitters... like the guys on manitoulin who charge 120 a day for room and board and set you up in a treestand?
it would be a tough sell for me to go to one locally when i can make connections with landowners and build relationships, but if i were going up north for a bear hunt and had no idea where to start, it might be alluring to me to pitch a tent with some buddies, hunt in the day and brews at night by the fire...
the idea of it though... especially in southern ontario... is already happening as others have said. i once hunted a spot and across the road was a field. i asked to goose hunt it and the guy said goose and deer were leased to a hunter who had sole rights, but i was welcome to go frog gigging during july to september. land permission is getting harder and harder especially near the bigger cities... which is why its such a bummer to see more ideas like this take off.
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January 9th, 2021, 11:38 PM
#19

Originally Posted by
punkrockerpj
it would be a tough sell for me to go to one locally when i can make connections with landowners and build relationships, but if i were going up north for a bear hunt and had no idea where to start, it might be alluring to me to pitch a tent with some buddies, hunt in the day and brews at night by the fire...
X2. Thus is one of the main reasons I hunt. I have no problem driving 3-5 hours to do just that. I really don't understand why anyone else would,either,with vast areas of Crown land being 2 hours north of the "big smoke". Each to their own,I guess.
If a tree falls on your ex in the woods and nobody hears it,you should probably still get rid of your chainsaw. Just sayin'....
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January 12th, 2021, 09:54 AM
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Would it be the landowner or outfitter that's liable? I would assume outfitter as the hunter hired the outfitter for the service/access
Just curious...

Originally Posted by
trimmer21
It's already happening in some areas of southern Ontario. Farmers are really hurting right now,so,if they can make a few bucks from outfitters for permission to allow their clients to hunt,more power to them as long as the landowners clearly understand that once they charge for access,they can be sued and are legally liable if someone gets injured. Charging for access completely negates any liability protection afforded to landowners under The Trespass to Property Act and/or The Occupiers Liability Act. Landowners would be very wise to consult legal advice before entering into any agreement with anyone to allow access under those circumstances. To me,the risks are far too great.