New measures. include 'Stay at Home orders"

[GW11]

Bahahaha.....I busted a gut reading this. So basically this stay at home order is a recommendation.
They know the civil rights lawyers are ready to pounce all over it.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...-at-home-order


What is an essential trip?

Ontario cannot determine what is essential for every person in this province, each with their own unique circumstances and regional considerations. That said, we have provided broad categories people should consider before leaving their home: food, health-care services, including medication, exercise or work, where someone’s job cannot be done at home.

What is essential work?

The stay-at-home order does not define what work or jobs are essential. Rather, it now mandates that anyone who can work from home must now do so. For example, someone working in retail obviously can’t do their job from home and would be permitted to go to work.

Why hasn’t the province defined who can or should work from home?

Ontario cannot review tens of millions of job descriptions to determine who can work from home. As such, we are relying on the best judgment and common sense of employers to determine who can do so. If an employee believes they should be working from home, they can contact the Ministry of Labour to file a health and safety complaint.

Why is the province issuing a stay-at-home order while also permitting curb-side pickup?

This question assumes every single person in Ontario has easy access to online shopping or that there is a big-box retailer in their community. This isn’t the case for many Ontarians who live in rural and remote areas.

We’ve learned a lot over the past year responding to this pandemic, including the fact that what may be essential to someone in Timmins and how they buy that item may not be essential to someone in downtown Toronto, who can easily buy items online for delivery. The Government of Ontario determining what retailers may be considered essential risks cutting off many Ontarians who don’t live in Toronto or an urban centre from access to necessary goods.

What is an essential item?

The Government of Ontario cannot determine what is essential for every person in this province, each with their own unique circumstances and regional considerations. Legally defining what is essential risks cutting people off from goods that may legitimately be necessary for their health, well-being and safety.

Why can people still gather in groups of five outdoors?

The outdoor gathering limit of five is in recognition of the fact that some people live alone and may require the company or support of others for their mental and physical well-being. Anyone gathering outside is expected to adhere to physical distancing measures and are now strongly urged to wear a mask.

Can people leave home to exercise? Can I go to my local playground or basketball court?

Yes, exercise is considered an essential reason for leaving your home. What that means will be unique to each individual Ontarian: some may wish to go for a walk around the block, while others may wish to go to a local basketball court with their household to shoot some hoops.

We recommend that Ontarians consult their local public health unit or municipality to understand what recreational amenities are open in their community.

Can someone living alone still join up with another household?

Yes, they can exclusively join one other household. This is to support their mental health and well-being, as well as to ensure those requiring support continue to have access to essential caregivers.

Is there a time limit for how long people can leave their homes?

No. That said, we’re asking Ontarians to use their best judgement when leaving their home for essential reasons. They should limit the number of stores they go to and spend as little time outside of their home as possible.

Is there a limit on the number of times someone can leave their home in a day?

No. That said, we’re asking Ontarians to use their best judgement when leaving their home for essential reasons. They should limit the number of stores they go to and spend as little time outside of their home as possible.

Can people travel to their cottages or secondary residences?

Right now, we are asking people to stay home and only leave their home for essential purposes, which could include emergency maintenance of a secondary residence. In the spirit of the stay-at-home order, at this time we are not recommending intra-provincial travel.

Yep, "lockdown lite v1.1".

Another joke to most, unless you are a small business owner.



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[fishfood]

I wonder why articles this like this don't get much attention/play. This one is a bit older, but there have been a couple others recently.
https://torontosun.com/news/provinci...V8OMn6C2HOMz-4

I just shared that lol.

Even our York region health officials begged not to shut down back in November. Wonder why?

But instead listen to the the doctor That's being told what to say. And show his most severe modeling numbers that could be possiblity lol. This is what could happen lol.



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[MikePal]

Bahahaha.....I busted a gut reading this. So basically this stay at home order is a recommendation.
They know the civil rights lawyers are ready to pounce all over it.

The CTV news at 5:00 just had a Lawyer on...his advice (almost laughing) give the Officer your ID and take the ticket if he doesn't accept your excuse for being away from home. Don't fight with him over it. He confirmed what I had said earlier; they do not want to do this and are pushing back, but must do as there are ordered to.

He also said, hang onto it as later in 2021, there will be a herd of Pro Bono lawyers waiting to take them to court for you.

[impact]

Yep, "lockdown lite v1.1".

Another joke to most, unless you are a small business owner.



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My comment was specific to the stay at home order. The surgical closure of small business is another serious matter and being pursued in the courts by companies such as HBC.

[JBen]

I think I mentioned in here, a conversation with someone that lives nearby and Ford actually touched on it in his sound bytes

Why is the province issuing a stay-at-home order while also permitting curb-side pickup?

This question assumes every single person in Ontario has easy access to online shopping or that there is a big-box retailer in their community. This isn’t the case for many Ontarians who live in rural and remote areas.

What a crock, obviously he has never spent much time in rural Ont other than his cottage where he has likely never shopped for much other than booze and maybe somewhere to eat. Certainly not for household items big or small.

So lets say we "need" somethings. With most places shut down and just a couple options like Canadian Tire ( our "big box). It takes 2-3 days for pick up. Being people that live in rural Ontario we also dont like driving into town 3 times a week, to buy A, then B, then pick up groceries from Loblaws on C. Plus, selection is smaller and prices are higher. At its simplest the same fishing rod I can buy at CT for $250 is likely $200 at Sail. Most items are no different.

So what at most going to do?
Drive into Oshawa, hit Walmart/Costco/Home Depot. Done. Then head home

If it's essential, say our bathroom floods, or sump pump goes, or fridge dies?
Far more selection and cheaper prices.....In Oshawa...If he thinks people are going to wait 3 days, and pay CT prices..Their nuts and obviously have no clue about reality.

Will also add, as soon as the new wave of lockdowns were announced. Loblaws was out of a ton of stuff. Aspargus, Bok Choi, pepperoni and one other item, they couldnt fill for our pick up last week. So guess what....A lot of people will do....

[JBen]

Here’s a perfect. Real example. I know we’re are down to 1 bag of water softener. CT and Costco usually sell that for the same price. Historically the kind of thing I’d grab at CT while in town. Maybe while buying groceries. Maybe pick up a few other items like detergent or TP. If it cost a few extra bucks. It’s $10 in gas and another 40 min to Costco. I can be there before it opens tomorrow buy 3 months worth of salt, deodorant, paper towel, toothpaste, shampoo. Save far more than $10 for gas. Buy some groceries and or hit Walmart on the way home. Home by 1pm

Loblaws. 1 week for pick up, CT-3 days. And have fun trying to get them to have orders ready for the same time slot.

I’ve avoided Costco like the plague. And likely will continue to.,a lot of people won’t. And I wonder how many might bring more than just than just “salt” home. Given case counts in the city.

[3030]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/men...visa-1.5872287 and yet we are locked down

[Tigboy 304]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/men...visa-1.5872287 and yet we are locked down

What a joke!!!!! And the people of this country are told to stay home what a disgrace.

[Tigboy 304]

With sleepy Joe getting set to take the wheel on the 20th and the village idiot we have up here at the helm it won't be long and China will be running roughshod over North America.

[MikePal]

With sleepy Joe getting set to take the wheel on the 20th and the village idiot we have up here at the helm it won't be long and China will be running roughshod over North America.

It's interesting that the Liberal Minister (François -Philippe Champagne) who suggested a tougher line with China was 'fired' and moved earlier this week and out of that portfolio.

John Ivison: The cabinet shuffle is a puzzle

François -Philippe Champagne has been promising a tougher line on China for over a year.

It was a curious quirk of providence that at the precise moment he finally announced tough new measures aimed at addressing human rights violations in Xinjiang province, he was being shuffled out of the foreign affairs portfolio.

The press release outlining new measures to combat the repressive surveillance, mass detentions and mistreatment of Uyghurs in Xinjiang province hit the wires at 9.02 on Tuesday morning, just as Champagne was taking part in a virtual cabinet shuffle that saw him moved from foreign affairs to innovation, science and industry.

The look of forced geniality on his face was reminiscent of Jody Wilson-Raybould, after she was demoted from justice to veteran’s affairs two years ago.

He is said to have promoted the idea of a pivot away from China in terms of trade and investment but it was rejected when it reached cabinet. All that was left was a muddled announcement about how the relationship is “multi-dimensional,” meaning we should cooperate with China on shared concerns like climate change, and work with like-minded countries to defend the rules-based system when the Chinese try to abuse it.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canad...le/ar-BB1cHd7R