I want to hear from those of you following Covid-19 protocols

[oldtimer]

We all try to follow the rules a s much as possible in our family. Not fun but, if you look at other countries with less demanding rules, their infection rates are much higher. Remember that this came from China! Be mad at them, not Doug Ford. Our governments have made lots of mistakes and are still making them, but have not had a lot of practice at controlling pandemics. Cut them a little slack. Make an effort to not buy made in China!

[oaknut]

How can you compare New Brunswick to Ontario or even Quebec given the population densities? There is very little spread or infections with Covid in Northern Ontario communities because of lesser number of people interacting with each other. Slowing a pandemic in Toronto as opposed to one in the north is like slowing a cruise ship soon as you would a tinny.
Oops! Seems inevitable that this thread will get hijacked and I'm not helping. Sorry.

And with that you have added more fuel to the fire that Doogie should keep the city folk in the cities and leave the rest of us alone.

Welcome to the dark side.[emoji1787]

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[canadaman30]

We all try to follow the rules a s much as possible in our family. Not fun but, if you look at other countries with less demanding rules, their infection rates are much higher. Remember that this came from China! Be mad at them, not Doug Ford. Our governments have made lots of mistakes and are still making them, but have not had a lot of practice at controlling pandemics. Cut them a little slack. Make an effort to not buy made in China!

I blame our federal government for allowing international travel to continue from the start with no screening of passengers.
Although our federal government told the country the exact opposite.
Since March last year, this has been going on. Our numbers are increasing, and rightfully so, they should because of this kind of BS.
The latest I heard this morning 19 passengers on a single flight have covid. Funny how fast the UK strain made it here

I blame China and WHO for hiding the truth. I blame our federal government for their actions or lack there of.

[Badenoch]

I don't think that is true...

I haven't seen anyone posting who is an out right 'anti-masker' or 'anti-vaxxer'.

Here ya go. He cites a mysterious "medical condition" but said he would lie about having one in any event.

https://www.oodmag.com/community/sho...=1#post1118152

Well, I will happily identify as one biggest jerks in Ottawa, who does not wear a mask and challenges everyday, stores I go into on the issue. In 3 days since mask order, I have been stopped and never refused entry, once I educated the store manager on exemptions. It is amazing what the order does, even if you lie about exemptions (which I have valid reason, and without I would do the same thing)

As to the original question I wear a mask in public places. I social distance and expect the same from others. If you come too close you will get one polite request to move away. If I have to ask again it will be far less polite.

I can only recall one goof who made a fuss going into a store and was denied entry. IMO, most people are responsible and follow the protocols and the number of anti-masks morons is minuscule.

[JBen]

What happened in China, or the US or anywhere else. Has little to do with wanting or demanding better from our political leaders and health officials. Or do they get ribbons for showing up too?

There are many aspects or sides to this. And while there may be no clear cut “best” methods. We can identify aspects that make no sense or are unjust.

Ski hills are closed, operators taking huge hits. “Doing their part”...reportedly to reduce accidents on hills and roads. Reduce trips to ERs.But snowmobile trails open. And on, and on.

Good read

https://www.newsweek.com/covid-lockd...box=1610642799

The Washing Post also had an article chirping about Ontario yesterday. You know things are whacked when the US reports our mess..
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...cRstYFjpHZlONA

[JBen]

So if “anti maskers” are few in number and they are. And if people who are losing jobs, businesses and incomes aren’t the problem. Why would they be? They more than anyone are motivated to want this over.

I also read something a few days ago. Cell phone data clearly shows people in rural areas are staying home......


Who is.....

[oaknut]

Here ya go. He cites a mysterious "medical condition" but said he would lie about having one in any event.

https://www.oodmag.com/community/sho...=1#post1118152



As to the original question I wear a mask in public places. I social distance and expect the same from others. If you come too close you will get one polite request to move away. If I have to ask again it will be far less polite.

I can only recall one goof who made a fuss going into a store and was denied entry. IMO, most people are responsible and follow the protocols and the number of anti-masks morons is minuscule.

So you believe those that have a real medical condition should be forced to mask up anyway? You think its better to force someone to endure physical pain just so you can feel a little safer going out to the store?

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[JBen]

Proven, maybe not but what was it Einstein said about insanity?

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Exactly.
All we need to do is apply “common sense” . Meaning if something isn’t working try something else, or increase the intensity of some things. In the problem areas.

as of yesterday. CKL
19 cases, 1 in hospital, 0 ICU...and yet paying prices for others and others bad behaviour.

We have been following advice since March. To the extent that even during Aug, and getting invites from friends to come over. We’d turn down offers from those we felt weren’t taking things seriously enough.

At work, our precautions are outrageous. The extra mile that goes well beyond the regulations. For the record, even though we are considered essential. We would normally do $250,000 gross profit/month. We’ve averaged less than $50,000 since July. How long do people think “lockdowns” can continue before Armageddon.....

I can think of a number of things we could have differently. Most “too late now”, but it’s never too late is it?

LTCs account for 80% of all fatalities. Fact is, most that go to LTCs are on borrowed time anyways. When or if you consider life years lost. Basically one 40 year that dies, vs one 86 year old.....

But how hard would it have been to utilize army bases, or other....self contained areas where those that work there, stay there for long periods.....

Utilize RIDE. If Leo can pull people over for that.......with the goal of deterring people. Not arresting people....

Lower the hammer on problem areas. As is, lots are going into the city because their shops are closed, or inconvenienced. Whereas Cistco/Walmart...

“Carbon taxes”
A tool being used to changed behaviour. And yet no one, or just a few are paying prices for this..... passing the buck off onto our grandchildren’s grandchildren. When we could and should be raising $$ for more PPE, Vaccines, less debt, or more help for those being thrown under the bus.

Anywho, Read the Newsweek article above.

[johnjyb]

Labels such as anti-maskers and anti vaxxers are just that.....you labeling people without any idea of what they want or are saying.
I might come across as such myself, when you have NO IDEA what I want or even if I have some hidden agenda.
One thing I do strongly believe in is my right to have an opinion and to voice that opinion, whether you or others agree with it or not.
You don't have to agree with it, and you can voice your disagreement and I will respect your right to differ even if I do not agree with you.
WE still have to question the decisions being made by those that WE put in power, otherwise this democracy thing we think we have to run our country is not going to work.
No one has all the answers to this pandemic as it is a new world that we are trying to work with.
What would work, and I would guarantee it with my extensive medical and life skills background, is a complete world shutdown for 40 days, no movement for work, food even military or social engagements anywhere at all, but that is not gonna happen is it.
So we will just keep picking away at little zits as they pop up and never completely solve the problem.
John

[fishermccann]

Proven, maybe not but what was it Einstein said about insanity?

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Also said....... "just because you believe it, does not make it true'...A. Einstein.