Police surprised by new powers they have to stop anyone they see for no reason????

[JoePa]

Down here you don't have to identify yourself to a cop unless you have committed a crime - being stopped for no reason smells like the Nazi Germany - if you are driving and have been pulled over because of a traffic violation you must show him your driver's license, registration and proof of insurance - that's it - the question I have is who gave cops this right to identify you guys -

[rick_iles]

That statement is not part of our Charter. You've mistaken that for American "Miranda" rights,but,we get your point. All Canadians are required to do is give name,address and date of birth when requested. After that,keep quiet. Take your ticket and plan on attending court. That's where you argue your case,not with the cop at the side of the road.

Don’t even have to do that, unless you are committing or being investigated for committing an offence. Driving is a different requirement to identify, licence ownership and proof of insurance, as I’m sure everyone is aware. The “carding” issue pretty much eliminated that requirement to identify when arbitrarily stopped...

[delmer]

Hot off the press. Many police forces say they won't perform random stops.

https://torontosun.com/news/provinci...ndom-stop-laws

[Bushmoose]

They ask for license and insurance, I provide it. I also have a dash cam that turns 360 and records all interactions with police. When they are made aware they are being recorded, it evens out the playing field. It very surprising the change of attitude when they see the camera on them...lol.

Your post suggests you are a frequent flyer? LOL

[MikePal]

Saw on the news that a lot of the Police Forces across Ont have written letters (again) stating they will NOT be doing random stops and asking if your trip is essential.

The OPP was a little more vague..they want to see the Health orders before the make a statement.

[Bushmoose]

Saw on the news that a lot of the Police Forces across Ont have written letters (again) stating they will NOT be doing random stops and asking if your trip is essential.

The OPP was a little more vague..they want to see the Health orders before the make a statement.

The OPP Commissioner is appointed by the premier I believe? Nuff said.....

[canadaman30]

Your post suggests you are a frequent flyer? LOL

Not at all. Been the subject of late night harassment driving home from work at 2am. The reason I have a dash cam. Since being stopped twice and using dash cam both times, the harassing behavior stopped immediately.

As someone else stated police will lie to get what they want, been subjected to it. That was before recording interactions, since then they have stopped.

My father didn't raise me to lay down like a sheep and allow myself to be walked on by those that choose to prey on the weak. I know my rights and not afraid to exercise them when needed.

[Bushmoose]

Not at all. Been the subject of late night harassment driving home from work at 2am. The reason I have a dash cam. Since being stopped twice and using dash cam both times, the harassing behavior stopped immediately.

As someone else stated police will lie to get what they want, been subjected to it. That was before recording interactions, since then they have stopped.

My father didn't raise me to lay down like a sheep and allow myself to be walked on by those that choose to prey on the weak. I know my rights and not afraid to exercise them when needed.

That's interesting. Most folks I know are always discouraged when we hear or read about how, so many times, the police are reactive to crime. But when the police try to be proactive, they are loathed. So I suppose if someone stole your vehicle from your workplace, at 02:00, you wouldn't be upset that a cop didn't stop them to check on things?

[canadaman30]

That's interesting. Most folks I know are always discouraged when we hear or read about how, so many times, the police are reactive to crime. But when the police try to be proactive, they are loathed. So I suppose if someone stole your vehicle from your workplace, at 02:00, you wouldn't be upset that a cop didn't stop them to check on things?

Is not being proactive when police use lies to pull people over. Maybe you don't mind when a police accuse you of driving through a red light or stop sign as a reason for the stop. When they find out the dash cam is recording they become very agitated realizing they have just been caught lying.

Some may call it proactive, but the law considers it harassment and slander with a recorded video as proof.

If my car was stolen it would be reported until then there is no right to pull somebody over for simply driving down the road obeying the speed limits and road rules.

[mosquito]

That's interesting. Most folks I know are always discouraged when we hear or read about how, so many times, the police are reactive to crime. But when the police try to be proactive, they are loathed. So I suppose if someone stole your vehicle from your workplace, at 02:00, you wouldn't be upset that a cop didn't stop them to check on things?

In the OPP there is a huge range or personalities and attitudes, some will warn and some will just ticket even if they know it won't stand to make you go to court and waste a day. Long story I will skip it but even 30 years ago I remember the head of the local OPP detachment talking about some of the new officers didn't need the upcoming training, he always made sure that a "goose stepper" was transferred somewhere else. His comment was that they were useless for a small community detachment, well they ended up somewhere and I know I ran into one last year for sure *. Arbitrary stopping, arbitrary ticketing essentially (does your excuse qualify), more and more like a Solzhenitsyn sound to it.


* Ticketed for not fully stopping the motion of my "vehicle" while out bike riding when I put on the brakes, put down one foot and "didn't fully stop the motion of my vehicle". He was in my face (with no mask), an attitude that fully qualified as "goose stepper", evident when I asked how much more stopped I had to be, my foot was on the ground and brakes on, court date is still TBD.