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    Ravin has introduced a crossbow that launches a 400 grain bolt at 500 fps. Develops 222 ft-lbs of energy.



    Can be yours for the low price of $4k CDN:

    https://www.cabelas.ca/product/14904...xoCF-oQAvD_BwE

    If the crossbow industry keeps this up they are going to end up regulated before too long.

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    Ya, getting to ridiculous.

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    Yup, with no end in sight. I couldn't justify spending that much on a xbow but it seems there's a market for them. I'll stick with my micro too.

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    Based on the stated velocity, the RCMP would classify that as a firearm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genec View Post
    Based on the stated velocity, the RCMP would classify that as a firearm.
    Not likely. Speed does not factor into the definition of firearm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rick_iles View Post
    Not likely. Speed does not factor into the definition of firearm.
    500 fps or more makes the definition!
    why do u think places sell air rifles with velocities of 495 fps, 497 fps?
    Just because it doesn’t have a barrel doesn’t mean that they can’t classify it as a firearm if they choose!
    Last edited by genec; September 29th, 2021 at 08:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genec View Post
    500 fps or more makes the definition!
    why do u think places sell air rifles with velocities of 495 fps, 497 fps?
    500 FPS is a benchmark for regulatory purposes, dealing with registration , Licensing etc. A pellet gun, well under the 500 FPS, is still a “firearm” as defined by the CCC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by genec View Post
    500 fps or more makes the definition!
    why do u think places sell air rifles with velocities of 495 fps, 497 fps?
    Just because it doesn’t have a barrel doesn’t mean that they can’t classify it as a firearm!
    Speed is not relevant in this case. To qualify as a firearm federally the definition is as follows:

    Section 2 of the Criminal Code defines a "firearm" as a barrelled weapon that discharges projectiles capable of causing bodily harm or death, or anything that can be adapted as a firearm.

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    https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firearms/classes-firearms

    No barrel means it is not a firearm no matter how fast the arrow speed is. It may meet every other criteria but without a barrel it is a non-starter. They would have to amend the legal federal definition or pass new laws specifically aimed at crossbows.
    Last edited by Species8472; September 29th, 2021 at 08:58 PM.
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    [QUOTE=rick_iles;1174062]500 FPS is a benchmark for regulatory purposes, dealing with registration , Licensing etc.
    And thats my point - because a crossbow NOW has attained the 500 fps benchmark, they will probably require a PAL for ownership!
    Have you all forgotten that crossbows were ORIGINALLY listed on the licences back in 1994, but never enacted into law … well, with this one now on the market, it might very well happen.
    If they can declare a .22 LR rimfire to be a prohibited weapon just based on looks, they can easily change their firearms definition.
    Last edited by genec; September 29th, 2021 at 09:54 PM.

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    It definetely is a slippery slope.
    Ive been pretty vocal in defense of crossbow hunting and how they are a great tool to introduce new hunters into the sport, but with these speeds increasing the way they are perhaps these newer faster bows will be lumped into firearms seasons instead of bow seasons...

    Personally I wish companies stuck to making lighter and easier to de-c*ck rather than focus on increasing speeds...within 30 yards the tried and trie excal 300FPS crossbows kill them just as dead as these new crazy fast bows..

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