Common Sence Approach to Employee Safety from Covid.

[MikePal]

Due to the fact that being vaccinated DOESN'T prevent you from getting the virus anymore, big companies are starting to protect their employees with better screening. A far more common-sense approach.

The QR code Passport system is far too flawed and with 80-90% of the public fully vaccinated, it has already outlived its original concept of trying to stop the spread of the virus by isolating the unvaccinated. It's failure to recognize that the vaccinated are increasingly (over 30%) carrying the virus, the whole passport system has become redundant before even before being fully launched.

Kudos to Corporate America for acknowledging a better way.

Apple Inc. will begin to force unvaccinated corporate employees to test for Covid-19 each time they want to enter an office, a move that tightens its virus protocols while still stopping short of a vaccine mandate.

The new requirement will also apply to employees who decline to report their vaccination status to Apple, the company told employees this week. Vaccinated staff will be required to take rapid tests once per week.

Apple retail store employees, meanwhile, will have slightly different rules. Unvaccinated staff will be asked to test twice per week instead of each day they come to work. Vaccinated workers will also need to take a rapid test each week.


Employees will be able to pick up at-home rapid tests from Apple offices and retail stores. The tests take 15 minutes, and employees will self-report their results through an internal app.

[kokes]

but how are the poor pfizer execs going to get their bonuses if we dont force the jab anymore?
and poor badenoch is so happy about his shiney new app, why should he have to go back to not feeling special with his QR code?

[MikePal]

but how are the poor pfizer execs going to get their bonuses if we dont force the jab anymore?
and poor badenoch is so happy about his shiney new app, why should he have to go back to not feeling special with his QR code?

Yea time to throw taxpayers money at the "Rapid Test' manufacturer...I see an Ontario PPE company in Waterloo, The Canadian Shield, sells antigen test kits “significantly” lower price than competitors.
Buy Canadian !!

Just have to get Doug to cough it up and buy a few million

I still don't know if his mother had him tested...he might very well be 'Verified' ... HaHa.

[Badenoch]

Yea time to throw taxpayers money at the "Rapid Test' manufacturer...I see an Ontario PPE company in Waterloo, The Canadian Shield, sells antigen test kits “significantly” lower price than competitors.
Buy Canadian !!

Just have to get Doug to cough it up and buy a few million

I still don't know if his mother had him tested...he might very well be 'Verified' ... HaHa.

The people clamouring to be tested and "verified" are the unvaccinated. The refuseniks would rather have a long probe repeatedly shoved into and twisted around in the upper reaches of their sinus cavity and sit around until the results are available than take a vaccine that has been administered to over 11 million people in Ontario and 2.88 billion people world wide.

Even if the rapid antigen tests were a substitute for showing proof of immunization it is unlikely restaurants, cinemas, hockey arenas, football stadiums, convention centers, gyms, theaters, etc. would spend the extra money to satisfy the demands of a shrinking minority of vaccine hold outs.

[MikePal]

The people clamouring to be tested and "verified" are the unvaccinated. The refuseniks would rather have a long probe repeatedly shoved into and twisted around in the upper reaches of their sinus cavity and sit around until the results are available than take a vaccine that has been administered to over 11 million people in Ontario and 2.88 billion people world wide.

Even if the rapid antigen tests were a substitute for showing proof of immunization it is unlikely restaurants, cinemas, hockey arenas, football stadiums, convention centers, gyms, theaters, etc. would spend the extra money to satisfy the demands of a shrinking minority of vaccine hold outs.

Missing the point: Proof of immunization is no longer reliable. If the Government insists on trying to isolate those with the virus..it will have to use Rapid Testing. That's means everyone, repeatedly, every week.

[MarkB]

Vaccine never ever stopped the transmission of COVID, you still get COVID, it's the severity of illness that it reduces, according to Ontario Stats ... you have a 70 times less likelihood to get severe enough conditions to require ICU, when compared to the unvaccinated population.

Despite this, I do think getting the vaccine should be a personal choice, and I think industry/society should have measures in place to accommodate both vaccinated and unvaccinated, so agreed, kudos to Apple Inc.

On the other hand, all I see in Ontario is companies demanding employees get the vaccine by a certain date, or they are out, and restaurants and public spaces (ex. hockey rinks) enforcing double vaccination entry.

I don't think they have the right reason to test unvaccinated for COVID vs. not testing for vaccinated. It should not be to isolate those that have COVID ... because as you say, then that should apply to both non-vaxxed and vaxxed. The reason is that they are complying with laws, right or wrong, that enable them to accommodate unvaccinated people, while operating legally.

In my view, and based on comments anti-vaxxers here have already stated, the unvaccinated is at greater risk to get covid in the presence of vaccinated, as the symptoms of COVID will likely be suppressed in vaccinated people (to the point where they are asymptomatic) ... and an unvaccinated person may unknowingly get COVID from someone who is vaccinated. That should be a reason for non-vaccinated to be cautious entering indoor environments that have a large population of vaccinated individuals ... and hence the QR code system.

[MikePal]

Vaccine never ever stopped the transmission of COVID, .

There is two parts to a vaccines 'efficacy'. It was originally proven to have an efficacy of about 90+ % ..ie: effective in preventing you from catching and transmitting the virus. The other half of the vaccine's function, was was preventing serious illness in those who go infected by about 99%.

COVID-19 vaccination reduces the risk of getting COVID-19 and helps protect you from severe illness.

The COVID-19 vaccines offer protection against symptoms, but also help avoid people get infected with the virus that causes COVID-19 at all.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...they-work.html

You can't transmit the virus unless your infected.

That efficacy has dropped to about 60% after 6 months, BUT it still prevents someone infected from becoming seriously ill.

In April (2020), the company announced the vaccine had 91.3% efficacy against COVID-19, based on measuring how well it prevented symptomatic COVID-19 infection seven days through up to six months after the second dose. It also found it to be 100% effective in preventing severe disease as defined by the CDC, and 95.3% effective in preventing severe disease as defined by the FDA. Another study, not yet peer-reviewed, provided more new data that brought the efficacy number down to 84% after 6 months, although efficacy against severe disease was 97%.

[impact]

How about employee safety from vaccine?
Hardest hit are middle age group. Why is that?

18 - 44 years 915029 39%

45 - 64 years 723439 31%

http://vigiaccess.org/

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[fishfood]

Vaccine never ever stopped the transmission of COVID, you still get COVID, it's the severity of illness that it reduces, according to Ontario Stats ... you have a 70 times less likelihood to get severe enough conditions to require ICU, when compared to the unvaccinated population.

Despite this, I do think getting the vaccine should be a personal choice, and I think industry/society should have measures in place to accommodate both vaccinated and unvaccinated, so agreed, kudos to Apple Inc.

On the other hand, all I see in Ontario is companies demanding employees get the vaccine by a certain date, or they are out, and restaurants and public spaces (ex. hockey rinks) enforcing double vaccination entry.

I don't think they have the right reason to test unvaccinated for COVID vs. not testing for vaccinated. It should not be to isolate those that have COVID ... because as you say, then that should apply to both non-vaxxed and vaxxed. The reason is that they are complying with laws, right or wrong, that enable them to accommodate unvaccinated people, while operating legally.

In my view, and based on comments anti-vaxxers here have already stated, the unvaccinated is at greater risk to get covid in the presence of vaccinated, as the symptoms of COVID will likely be suppressed in vaccinated people (to the point where they are asymptomatic) ... and an unvaccinated person may unknowingly get COVID from someone who is vaccinated. That should be a reason for non-vaccinated to be cautious entering indoor environments that have a large population of vaccinated individuals ... and hence the QR code system.

What about all the people who are at risk and can't get the shots. Are they going to be more at risk with the health care workers being forced to get vaxxed?

Suppressing their symptoms could kill a valnerable person who cannot receive the shot.





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[NJohnson]

There is two parts to a vaccines 'efficacy'. It was originally proven to have an efficacy of about 90+ % ..ie: effective in preventing you from catching and transmitting the virus. The other half of the vaccine's function, was was preventing serious illness in those who go infected by about 99%.



https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...they-work.html

You can't transmit the virus unless your infected.

That efficacy has dropped to about 60% after 6 months, BUT it still prevents someone infected from becoming seriously ill.

Is it me or did you have a change of heart in regards to covid shots? [emoji848][emoji848][emoji848]

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