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    Quote Originally Posted by NJohnson View Post
    Is it me or did you have a change of heart in regards to covid shots?
    Must be you...HaHa..

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkB View Post
    Vaccine never ever stopped the transmission of COVID, you still get COVID, it's the severity of illness that it reduces, according to Ontario Stats ... you have a 70 times less likelihood to get severe enough conditions to require ICU, when compared to the unvaccinated population.

    Despite this, I do think getting the vaccine should be a personal choice, and I think industry/society should have measures in place to accommodate both vaccinated and unvaccinated, so agreed, kudos to Apple Inc.

    On the other hand, all I see in Ontario is companies demanding employees get the vaccine by a certain date, or they are out, and restaurants and public spaces (ex. hockey rinks) enforcing double vaccination entry.

    I don't think they have the right reason to test unvaccinated for COVID vs. not testing for vaccinated. It should not be to isolate those that have COVID ... because as you say, then that should apply to both non-vaxxed and vaxxed. The reason is that they are complying with laws, right or wrong, that enable them to accommodate unvaccinated people, while operating legally.

    In my view, and based on comments anti-vaxxers here have already stated, the unvaccinated is at greater risk to get covid in the presence of vaccinated, as the symptoms of COVID will likely be suppressed in vaccinated people (to the point where they are asymptomatic) ... and an unvaccinated person may unknowingly get COVID from someone who is vaccinated. That should be a reason for non-vaccinated to be cautious entering indoor environments that have a large population of vaccinated individuals ... and hence the QR code system.
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    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...cinated-video/

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkB View Post
    Vaccine never ever stopped the transmission of COVID, you still get COVID, it's the severity of illness that it reduces, according to Ontario Stats ... you have a 70 times less likelihood to get severe enough conditions to require ICU, when compared to the unvaccinated population.
    That there is the biggest problem, believing government stats when we know they are fudging numbers to justify their fear mongering. It's also been well proven by now in other countries around the world that therapeutics like IV, HCQ, Zinc, vitamin D and inhaled steroids do as good or even better job in reducing symptoms than the vaccines without all the side effects. But of course then there's no money to be made by big pharma so that won't happen as they continue to push boosters and vaccinating children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikePal View Post
    There is two parts to a vaccines 'efficacy'. It was originally proven to have an efficacy of about 90+ % ..ie: effective in preventing you from catching and transmitting the virus. The other half of the vaccine's function, was was preventing serious illness in those who go infected by about 99%.



    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...they-work.html

    You can't transmit the virus unless your infected.

    That efficacy has dropped to about 60% after 6 months, BUT it still prevents someone infected from becoming seriously ill.
    I don't understand if someone is exposed to the virus (touches, absorbs, breathes, ingests content with the virus) ... how the virus does not enter the human body, irrespective of whether you have the vaccine or not. The vaccine does not offer some kind of invisible forcefield. Now, perhaps while in the body, a vaccinated person (with effectiveness) may not be a contagious person ... that part I honestly haven't researched ...

    But for sure, if you are exposed to the virus ... I don't know how the vaccine stops being infected by the virus ... and assume you are, then all it comes down to is whether you will react severely (in terms of illness/symptoms) or not. I actually read early in the release of the vaccines that it is "Not a cure" ... a cure perhaps is something that will prevent the virus from being able to live in your body (for more than a few seconds).

    Part of the problem I have with everything we read, is we know some stuff the government says is complete BS because they have no idea what they are talking about (at one point they said wearing masks is bad, don't do it ... then 6 months later, masks are mandatory ... from the same people). So unless we see a study which explains how the vaccine can literally prevent a person from being infected by the virus ... then I would take everything with a pinch of salt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by impact View Post
    How about employee safety from vaccine?
    Hardest hit are middle age group. Why is that?

    18 - 44 years 915029 39%

    45 - 64 years 723439 31%

    http://vigiaccess.org/

    Total number of records retrieved: 2323143

    Blood and lymphatic system disorders (94373)
    Cardiac disorders (118130)
    Congenital, familial and genetic disorders (1301)
    Ear and labyrinth disorders (77653)
    Endocrine disorders (3312)
    Eye disorders (85514)
    Gastrointestinal disorders (475454)
    General disorders and administration site conditions (1410280)
    Hepatobiliary disorders (4752)
    Immune system disorders (33118)
    Infections and infestations (163283)
    Injury, poisoning and procedural complications (115308)
    Investigations (320936)
    Metabolism and nutrition disorders (52536)
    Musculoskeletal and connective tissue disorders (674479)
    Neoplasms benign, malignant and unspecified (incl cysts and polyps) (3559)
    Nervous system disorders (999177)
    Pregnancy, puerperium and perinatal conditions (5380)
    Product issues (3734)
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    Renal and urinary disorders (18941)
    Reproductive system and breast disorders (95214)
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    Skin and subcutaneous tissue disorders (317646)
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    Vascular disorders (126181)
    This data goes back to 2014 right? Like WAY before COVID 19, and the vaccines? So, I'm not sure what it even represents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishfood View Post
    What about all the people who are at risk and can't get the shots. Are they going to be more at risk with the health care workers being forced to get vaxxed?

    Suppressing their symptoms could kill a valnerable person who cannot receive the shot.





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    Yes, unvaccinated (and particularly vulnerable unvaccinated) are always going to be more at risk, due to suppression of symptoms.
    No doubt in my mind.

    So what do you do? Do you force people not to take the vaccine because of that?
    In the end, it is a choice ... both ways, no one should force the other. But you have to recognize the risk that comes with that choice,
    and manage accordingly. Sometimes, it is not a choice (I know 2 people that have a blood disease and cannot get the vaccine). They
    still have to manage accordingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by canadaman30 View Post
    I don't watch CNN or much news ... don't have time, and don't care, so stop assuming I'm a sheep.

    I talk to doctors that are in the hospital ... actually dealing with covid patients ... and in the middle of vaccine studies. WAY better than the info you can get out of any news, or on Rebel News site!
    I don't listen to any BS ... and trust me there's lots of BS from both sides (vaxxers and anti-vaxxers) ... both groups are just a bad ... carefully selecting only the data that
    suits their argument, even exaggerating things ... look at the data Impact posted on illnesses/side effects from the vaccine ... do you know this goes back to 2014 (go to the source and see for yourself)?? ... how TF is that possible??? The vaccine for COVID 19 only came out in 2020????? So is that data also BS? What do we believe???

    Very few I find actually has real data and a balance view.
    Last edited by MarkB; October 22nd, 2021 at 10:46 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkB View Post
    This data goes back to 2014 right? Like WAY before COVID 19, and the vaccines? So, I'm not sure what it even represents.
    Here, I've drawn a picture for you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkB View Post
    I don't watch CNN or much news ... don't have time, and don't care, so stop assuming I'm a sheep.

    I talk to doctors that are in the hospital ... actually dealing with covid patients ... and in the middle of vaccine studies. WAY better than the info you can get out of any news, or on Rebel News site!
    I don't listen to any BS ... and trust me there's lots of BS from both sides (vaxxers and anti-vaxxers) ... both groups are just a bad ... carefully selecting only the data that
    suits their argument, even exaggerating things ... look at the data Impact posted on illnesses/side effects from the vaccine ... do you know this goes back to 2014 (go to the source and see for yourself)?? ... how TF is that possible??? The vaccine for COVID 19 only came out in 2020????? So is that data also BS? What do we believe???

    Very few I find actually has real data and a balance view.
    So when over 60percent of Covid deaths in last 7 months in UK are fully-vaccinated, do you dismiss the factual data? Or just ignore it?
    Who mentioned sheep?

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    Last edited by canadaman30; October 22nd, 2021 at 12:18 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by impact View Post
    Here, I've drawn a picture for you.

    Let me draw another picture for you with text.

    1) You're saying you believe a number where it shows only 1000 deaths in the ENTIRE world by vaccines/medicines in one year???? BS man ... there are way more deaths and adverse illnesses to medicine than 1000 per year IN THE WHOLE WORLD from 1990 to 2018. The data is flawed.

    2) What are the deaths as a % of the number of vaccines administered? When in all the years between 1990 and 2018 did we have 4 billion vaccines administered in one year (on top of the ordinary vaccines that kids get like Polio, Hepatitis, etc. to stay in school).

    Guys, I don't know if you realize it, but you are also picking data, and just believing anything you read ... as long as it suits your opinion.
    You do not question the source, the context ... nothing ... just instantly believe the same bull e you get on the internet. Just as bad as the news stations you all mock.
    I'd say, you're a different kind of sheep ... you just believe in something else, and listen to whatever wacko supports what you believe in.

    Stop and scrutinize everything ... even your own thoughts ... it is all flawed. No one has the complete version of the truth ... no one.

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