Straight wall cartridge season.

[trkyhntr21]

With the advent of better performing muzzleloaders and shotgun ammunition. Would there be any support to adding straight wall cartridges to the list of allowable firearms in the controlled seasons. This has already been done with data from its introduction in various states. Similar ballistics to what we are currently allowed and lower recoil.
Thoughts?

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[gbk]

Mixed opinions.All in all,makes sense though.

But -logic is not pampered much in the Great Hunting Universe.

[Fox]

It makes total sense, but sense does not always seem to matter, ha ha.

I would suggest cartridges below a certain energy level, or something like that, rather than just a "straight wall". To me it would also be good to limit the number of rounds, with gangs of 20 guys a 45 LC with 14 shots in this type of hunt could destroy the population.

Maybe single shots under X energy, or 3 shots including the chamber, like shotguns, etc.

[trkyhntr21]

Ohio
"All straight-walled cartridge calibers from a minimum of .357 to a maximum of .50."
Iowa
Straight-wall cartridges with expanding bullets from .357 to .50 caliber are legal. Rimless cartridges must have a case length from .85 to 1.8 inches. Rimmed cartridges must have a case measuring 1.285 to 1.8 inches in length.
Michigan
In the limited-firearms deer zone, hunters are permitted to use straight-wall cartridges with cases between 1.16 and 1.8 inches in length, and bullets with diameters larger than .35 inch.
"Ohio regulation states shotguns and straight-walled cartridge rifles used for deer hunting be loaded with no more than three shells in the magazine and chamber combined."


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[Badenoch]

I can see the appeal but it's unlikely to fly with government or with local communities when they discover straight-walled cartridges includes rounds more suitable for hunting elephants. There's enough resistance to the controlled gun hunts already and we don't need to give our opponents another platform.

[Fox]

I can see the appeal but it's unlikely to fly with government or with local communities when they discover straight-walled cartridges includes rounds more suitable for hunting elephants. There's enough resistance to the controlled gun hunts already and we don't need to give our opponents another platform.

That is the whole purpose of limiting the case length, you limit the maximum energy produced.

It is hilarious when you think about it. My original 1860 Enfield rifled musket in 58 caliber is legal for a controlled hunt in a shotgun/muzzle loader season but a snider rifle, which is exactly the same thing, just modified to take a cartridge, is not legal because it is considered a rifle.

[trkyhntr21]

I can see the appeal but it's unlikely to fly with government or with local communities when they discover straight-walled cartridges includes rounds more suitable for hunting elephants. There's enough resistance to the controlled gun hunts already and we don't need to give our opponents another platform.

I've amended to show the current regulations and it seems that the ground work is already done to quell fears of hunters running around with .450 Nitro Express double rifles and land cruisers.

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[Badenoch]

That is the whole purpose of limiting the case length, you limit the maximum energy produced.

It is hilarious when you think about it. My original 1860 Enfield rifled musket in 58 caliber is legal for a controlled hunt in a shotgun/muzzle loader season but a snider rifle, which is exactly the same thing, just modified to take a cartridge, is not legal because it is considered a rifle.

It's no more rational that the .275 bore limit in most of Southern Ontario that permits squirrel hunting with a .270 Weatherby but prohibits a .32-20.

[Fox]

It's no more rational that the .275 bore limit in most of Southern Ontario that permits squirrel hunting with a .270 Weatherby but prohibits a .32-20.

Yep, and I think that one is stupid too, ha ha.

You cannot hunt with a 9mm carbine for rabbits but you can use massive long range rifles for coyotes.

[Sprite]

The other thing the implementation of a season like this requires is a knowledge base on firearms from the MNRF. Good luck on that one.

-N.