Vaccine seems to be working in Ontario

[fishfood]

The scary thing is in 2018 the nature posted about mRNA vaccines.
Said in humans it can negatively affect the innate immune response. Can cause autoimmune response , thrombosis along with a few other things.
Also said it should be used with caution moving forward .

Wonder how much safer it became before being being unleashed into the world. Seems we are seeing what they already knew.

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[MikePal]

Also said it should be used with caution moving forward .

As part of the trials they are running on the general population now, there are seeing more and more autoimmune issues cropping in otherwise perfectly healthy people, both young and old.

But no one seems to be overly alarmed, at least not enough to restrict the vaccine to only those who are at risk..

[fishfood]

As part of the trials they are running on the general population now, there are seeing more and more autoimmune issues cropping in otherwise perfectly healthy people, both young and old.

But no one seems to be overly alarmed, at least not enough to restrict the vaccine to only those who are at risk..

Yes we are still seeing what they seen. Are we now in the larger preclinical study?



"Several different mRNA vaccines have now been tested from phase I to IIb clinical studies and have been shown to be safe and reasonably well tolerated (Tables 2, 3). However, recent human trials have demonstrated moderate and in rare cases severe injection site or systemic reactions for different mRNA platforms22,91. Potential safety concerns that are likely to be evaluated in future preclinical and clinical studies include local and systemic inflammation, the biodistribution and persistence of expressed immunogen, stimulation of auto-reactive antibodies and potential toxic effects of any non-native nucleotides and delivery system components. A possible concern could be that some mRNA-based vaccine platforms54,166 induce potent type I interferon responses, which have been associated not only with inflammation but also potentially with autoimmunity167,168. Thus, identification of individuals at an increased risk of autoimmune reactions before mRNA vaccination may allow reasonable precautions to be taken. Another potential safety issue could derive from the presence of extracellular RNA during mRNA vaccination. Extracellular naked RNA has been shown to increase the permeability of tightly packed endothelial cells and may thus contribute to oedema169. Another study showed that extracellular RNA promoted blood coagulation and pathological thrombus formation170. Safety will therefore need continued evaluation as different mRNA modalities and delivery systems are utilized for the first time in humans and are tested in larger patient populations."

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[MikePal]

And yet ...the zealots are scrambling to inject THAT into their kids.....really makes one shake their heads...

[Bushwhacker]

So it looks like this is now happening:

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In other news, Dr. Fauci is now expressing concern over the uptick in hospitalizations among those 'fully vaccinated' for covid.
Next logical step? You guessed it, forever boosters.

[fishfood]

And yet ...the zealots are scrambling to inject THAT into their kids.....really makes one shake their heads...

That's from a 2018 report Mike just to make that clear but it wasn't long before the pandemic.

Did they clear these problems up before mass production they did come out years ahead of schedule. And yes we are seeing what was reported then.




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[MikePal]

That's from a 2018 report Mike just to make that clear but it wasn't long before the pandemic.

yea I was aware...they didn't have time to fix and re-trial it..so they just went ahead under an 'Emergency use' and here we are today, lab rats, for big Pharma..

[MarkB]

Your crunching of ICU numbers doesn't mean diddle squat, the real issue is the vaccine no longer prevents 45 % of fully/partial vaccinated people from showing up at a hospital in Ontario. They get infected, become contagious no different than 50% of the unvaccinated.

How sick you get is another issue not yet arrived here, but the same thing is happening in other countries where ICU beds are filling up with fully vaccinated people

Now we're heading into mandatory 'Boosters' by the new year... not hard to foresee, it's going on in other countries already..you can't get your 'Verified' Green Passes anymore unless you have a 3rd shot Booster....thats' because the vaccine in an abject failure in preventing you from getting infected. And since the whole point of all these lockdowns, restrictions and social engineering was it was to stop the spreading of the virus in the first place.

Simply put...and statistically proven, the vaccine has failed to prevent the spreading of the virus after 4-6 months....not too hard to prove.

The vaccine is a failure in preventing people from getting and spreading the virus..

Yesterday's numbers in Toronto: ..

Of the 711 new cases on Thursday, 322 are in people who are unvaccinated and 314 are in people fully immunized.

Mike. So far, the ICU cases are MUCH lower for vaccinated people. The numbers show that.
The objective of the vaccine has ALWAYS been to keep people out of hospital, and especially the ICU, to avoid a repeat of places like Italy. ALWAYS ... it's you who
are moving the goal posts by focusing only on whether someone is infected or not ... it's irrelevant. If you come in contact with the virus, vaccinated or not, you will likely be infected!
WHO CARES, when the vaccinated are infected, but it's nothing more than a few sniffles? It means the vaccine is working!

You are speculating that it won't be the case for very long, and that ICU cases will go through the roof for vaccinated ... so far the Ontario stats say you are wrong about that.
We've had at least 5 weeks now of cold weather, and people are mingling as if there's no virus out there, in restaurants, shops, etc. Yet, the numbers are not even close to what
they were Oct/Nov 2020 ...

So that's where you and I are different ... until I see proof/evidence that the vaccine is not helping keep people out of ICU (if the # per million is exact same as unvaxxed) ... then I will
believe the numbers in front of us.

[MarkB]

Maybe you should look back to pre covid numbers in hospitals which generally are at fairly high levels as a norm. You know all those other diseases and trauma and scheduled surgeries that keep hospitals busy. I've seen some real scary numbers about the amount of serious results and many deaths due to postponed treatments and surgeries due to what turned out to be baseless speculation and fear of filling up hospitals. Maybe you you could find those stats. Then of course there is the major increase in suicides, heavy drug use and overdoses, and violent crime that is associated with the drug trade. These are all known stats that are happening everywhere from small towns to big cities. Worst part of it all is, none of this is because of the virus itself, it's all a response to what governments have turned society into for the last two years
I do have a question for you Mark. Perhaps I missed it somewhere but I never see you acknowledge all the adverse reactions from these jabs around the world to the point where it's being claimed that these vaccines are now causing more deaths than they prevent from covid itself. How do you respond to those legit numbers from governments sites even, like the VAERS site which now has over 3/4 million reports in what is normally considered to be well under reported as a rule. Before this, a vaccine with these numbers never would have lasted long.
I also wonder how you can explain how the two most unrestricted states in the US with no vaccine mandates and mask mandates also have the lowest numbers in the whole country. The same thing applies to countries like Sweden who never shut down their country at all, never had any or very minor sorts of restrictions on freedoms and are doing just fine. Meanwhile countries like Israel and Ireland with some of the highest vaccination rates in the world also now have the highest rates of active cases and hospitalizations.
You also seem to totally ignore how money is actually the root of all this around the world, where big pharma is bringing in billions per month while conveniently providing false claims about the efficacy of a barely tested experimental procedure that turns out isn't very good at all is now on it's third jab and being forced on children now who don't need it. Now this booster hasn't even been changed to address this oh so scary delta variant for some odd reason and they've even cut the dosage in half, no doubt to try and mitigate the side effects and calm the waters.
One last question for you. Now that big pharma has turned the narrative again all around the world it seems, to now proclaim that booster shots are necessary to be considered fully vaxxed, so for employment, travel and all the normal things we used to do without having to provide ID and QR codes and private medical info under the guise of spreading the virus. It's an admitted fact that these vaccine's efficacy have so far proved to be poor after 6 months, yet now they want you to get another shot of the same thing but in a smaller dose that may not even last as long as the bigger dose. So I'm just curious as to how many shots of an experimental invasion of your body you are going to keep lining up for before you finally wake up and start to at least question what's really going on. Will it be #4 in midsummer when the first booster fails again or #5 six months later as Pfizer laughs all the way to the bank?
Lastly, again maybe I missed a post where you mentioned it before, but does your obvious support for these measures also apply to the millions of people who have developed a far superior natural immunity to covid that also naturally works on variants, this from often just getting over mild symptoms. Or does that not matter to you, everyone must get jabbed, and again too if they say so. Just wondering
Cheers

Smitty, to answer your questions ... and I'll keep it short:

(1) I do believe the vaccine was inadequately tested ... I've said that many times ... and that is why I believe getting the vaccine should be a choice (which I've said here probably 20 times). So I am not denying anything. In fact, I'd say I have a balanced view. You see, I'm reacting to those who completely dismiss the danger of COVID, insinuating or outright saying it's no more than just the sniffles. That is pure BS. I'm looking for truth ... COVID is nasty, the vaccine does work to reduce ICU cases, the vaccine does have side effects. That's my stance! We say the vaccine has more injuries from side effects than COVID deaths ... well, here's a question for you. What IF the vaccine is working? What would the deaths be like if 90% of Ontario didn't have the vaxx? Are you comparing to the number of COVID deaths taking benefit of the stats AFTER vaccination ... or are you trying to pro-rata what it would be right now (with businesses all open) without the vaxx?

(2) I do not ignore that money is behind much of this ... I stated at least two times ... if you guys want to look at a conspiracy theory that isn't the same level of BS as the government is trying to kill half the world population ... it's money. Of course there's money behind this! That's why I think the vaxx testing was inadequate ... because it was a race to get out first ... and Pfizer and Moderna won that race! But that doesn't mean the vaccine doesn't work! It means those two were the first to put out something that does work ... but not without risk of side effects! I'm fully aware of that!

(3) Look at my point (1) ... getting the vaccine should be a personal choice in my opinion ... I believe it works, and I am not as nervous about the side effects as 10% of the eligible population in Ontario is. In the end, all I care about is that our already frail medical system does not get crushed by COVID ... which I believe it is susceptible too. If people are naturally immune, EXCELLENT! Because that means those people aren't going to ICU if they get COVID. That has always been my concern ... it's simple actually ... allow us to manage with our frail medical system, by controlling the number of ICU cases. Vaccine appears to help, but it's not the only way ... and that's fine ... if we want to talk about doing anti-body tests ... I think that is WAY smarter and better than a COVID Vaccine Passport!

[MarkB]

Your not very good at this, are you.
Recycling the same meaningless stats.

You're not very good trusting the numbers on our government websites are you.
Instead you believe the propaganda BS you read from anywhere. That's where I think
you guys are also sheeps ... you listen to your version of BS. Someone just has to put a table
together, on colored paper ... and as long as it suits your opinion ... it must be right, right???