GRANT: Vaccines will never eliminate COVID

[Bushwhacker]

Not everyone gleefully lines up. Again guys, stop contrasting like this is so black and white.
It is a spectrum of opinions ... and on the ends of the spectrum you have the two groups you characterize ... those strongly opposed and those strongly for.
In between are people that recognize the risk of the vaccine, and for whatever reason, following some critical thinking, decided to take the vaccine.

Stop painting everyone that took the vaccine as dump robotic sheep. The majority thought hard about this, and took a decision.
Just because they concluded with a decision that was different than yours, doesn't mean they are gleeful, and just follow orders.

I never said everyone.

Whether gleeful or reluctant, the complicity (and complacency) are the same.

[MarkB]

I never said everyone.

Whether gleeful or reluctant, the complicity (and complacency) are the same.

Well, I do think there is a tendency in this group to polarize into two groups.
It's an us vs. them scenario ... and God forbid you have a different opinion, especially with a few
on this blog.

I disagree if you think anyone who took the vaccine is complacent.
We trade off the risks ... we come to different conclusions ... that is fine.
If we do our homework, trust certain sources of information (you trust yours, I trust mine) ... then that is not complacency at all.
That is diligence.

Or did you mean to say compliance?

[Bushwhacker]

Well, I do think there is a tendency in this group to polarize into two groups.
It's an us vs. them scenario ... and God forbid you have a different opinion, especially with a few
on this blog.

I disagree if you think anyone who took the vaccine is complacent.
We trade off the risks ... we come to different conclusions ... that is fine.
If we do our homework, trust certain sources of information (you trust yours, I trust mine) ... then that is not complacency at all.
That is diligence.

Or did you mean to say compliance?

No I don’t mean just anyone. After all the cases of side effects and all the stuff coming out now, and the pathetic attempts at cover ups, anyone who is coerced into a booster is complicit in the lie.

If it’s a result of critical thinking to arrive at that decision that’s different. But most people do not think critically. And thinking critically would tend to have people avoid it. Especially with all the coercion. I would think people would refuse boosters based on the lies and bullying on principle alone.

Many people who were vaccinated, I’d wager the majority, had a very blasé attitude towards the vaccine. They got seduced by promises of freedom and a return to normal when those things have not been granted to them. Or they said “what’s the big deal, the experts say it’s fine”

That’s complacency. And it’s the main reason we are in this mess...from a lack of critical thinking.

[MarkB]

No I don’t mean just anyone. After all the cases of side effects and all the stuff coming out now, and the pathetic attempts at cover ups, anyone who is coerced into a booster is complicit in the lie.

If it’s a result of critical thinking to arrive at that decision that’s different. But most people do not think critically. And thinking critically would tend to have people avoid it. Especially with all the coercion. I would think people would refuse boosters based on the lies and bullying on principle alone.

Many people who were vaccinated, I’d wager the majority, had a very blasé attitude towards the vaccine. They got seduced by promises of freedom and a return to normal when those things have not been granted to them. Or they said “what’s the big deal, the experts say it’s fine”

That’s complacency. And it’s the main reason we are in this mess...from a lack of critical thinking.

Almost everyone I talk to who took the vaccine had a concern about the safety of the vaccine.
They chose to take it because they studied information which indicated the benefits outweighed the risk.
The only thing we couldn't really have an idea of is the vaccine effectiveness over time. It would be a pity after taking
the vaccine, if it means we are back to square one after 6 or 12 months ... which is what I think a lot of people are focusing
on right now. We are carefully observing the effectiveness over time ... and I believe this is why there is hesitancy to get a booster
shot ... the booster shot is somewhat of an admission that the vaccine may not be as effective as we originally assumed, so let's
sit and wait and watch what happens before we make that decision.

Now, in terms of side effects caused by the vaccine ... honestly, I don't know of a single person close to me that has had an issue.
My wife heard from one of her clients that someone they know got severely ill or died soon after taking the vaccine ... but that's it, and it's
three steps removed from me ... so who knows what happened. So, in terms of "all the bad things about the vaccine", we just don't see
physical evidence of it. For example, my work is 90% vaccinated ... 1600 employees. I've not heard of one person who had an adverse effect.
Yet, I do know people who have died or got severely ill from COVID-19.

In the end, I think as much as you don't trust the government numbers ... well, I don't trust the data you guys publish, because I don't know
where it comes from ... and everything is magnified, twisted, etc. to simply prove a point ... very hard to get real info these days, on either side of the spectrum.

[MikePal]

Grow up.

....no..and you can't make me .HaHa...

[MarkB]

....no..and you can't make me .HaHa...

Just want to quote this to make sure this response cannot be edited in the future, so people can decide for themselves
what kind of a person you really are.

[Bushwhacker]

Almost everyone I talk to who took the vaccine had a concern about the safety of the vaccine.
They chose to take it because they studied information which indicated the benefits outweighed the risk.
The only thing we couldn't really have an idea of is the vaccine effectiveness over time. It would be a pity after taking
the vaccine, if it means we are back to square one after 6 or 12 months ... which is what I think a lot of people are focusing
on right now. We are carefully observing the effectiveness over time ... and I believe this is why there is hesitancy to get a booster
shot ... the booster shot is somewhat of an admission that the vaccine may not be as effective as we originally assumed, so let's
sit and wait and watch what happens before we make that decision.

Now, in terms of side effects caused by the vaccine ... honestly, I don't know of a single person close to me that has had an issue.
My wife heard from one of her clients that someone they know got severely ill or died soon after taking the vaccine ... but that's it, and it's
three steps removed from me ... so who knows what happened. So, in terms of "all the bad things about the vaccine", we just don't see
physical evidence of it. For example, my work is 90% vaccinated ... 1600 employees. I've not heard of one person who had an adverse effect.
Yet, I do know people who have died or got severely ill from COVID-19.

In the end, I think as much as you don't trust the government numbers ... well, I don't trust the data you guys publish, because I don't know
where it comes from ... and everything is magnified, twisted, etc. to simply prove a point ... very hard to get real info these days, on either side of the spectrum.

I hope you don't trust the government...

From a whistleblower. Canadian Immunization Registry. An awful lot of data here:

Attachment 42751

It’s the “Reserved for future use” lines that's perhaps the most worrisome.

[smitty55]

Not everyone gleefully lines up. Again guys, stop contrasting like this is so black and white.
It is a spectrum of opinions ... and on the ends of the spectrum you have the two groups you characterize ... those strongly opposed and those strongly for.
In between are people that recognize the risk of the vaccine, and for whatever reason, following some critical thinking, decided to take the vaccine.

Stop painting everyone that took the vaccine as dump robotic sheep. The majority thought hard about this, and took a decision.
Just because they concluded with a decision that was different than yours, doesn't mean they are gleeful, and just follow orders.

Mark, again I see you assuming things without evidence. You claim that most people thought hard about it and/or used critical thinking before deciding to take the jab. How do you know this? I would counter that by saying the decision most made was brought on by coercion from government officials and employers stating that if you want to keep your job, enter a business, go to a sports facility, cross borders, go to a concert or restaurant etc, then in reality you really had not much choice left about getting the jab. So my question to you is if none of these freedom restricting measures had been taken what percentage of the population would actually have willingly taken the shot initially, and now with all the evidence of severe adverse effects would still gladly line up for the boosters?

[MikePal]

So my question to you is if none of these freedom restricting measures had been taken what percentage of the population would actually have willingly taken the shot initially, and now with all the evidence of severe adverse effects would still gladly line up for the boosters?

Your right Smitty....In Canada, on average, only 40% of adults get the annual flu shot. Everyone knows the risks and results of Flu...yet 'critical thinking' sees 60% of the population do NOT get the Flu shot annually.


Thru Pandemic hysteria, due to intense media efforts to instill fear, that number only climbed to about 60% of the population who were willing to stand in line to get the Covid vaccination. Then in mid-summer, it stalled, no more line ups.

It's taken months since then thru mandatory restrictions and vaccination requirements..ie: coercion, to inch up the numbers to about 78% where it is today.

Statistically/Historically..without Government intervention..there will be less than 50% willing to stand in line again for a ''Booster'. Seeing that it's still the same vaccine and is only good for 4-6 months, it'll be a hard sale. It'll go back to the same rate as the annual flu shot with 80% of those over 70 getting the shot...and 40% of the others.

You can look at it like this , 'Critical Thinking' in instrumental in getting 50 % vaccinated and 50% to NOT getting vaccines.

see Key Note: https://www.canada.ca/en/public-heal...za-survey.html

see Data by age group: https://covid19tracker.ca/vaccinationtracker.html

[Birdbuff]

Mark, again I see you assuming things without evidence. You claim that most people thought hard about it and/or used critical thinking before deciding to take the jab. How do you know this? I would counter that by saying the decision most made was brought on by coercion from government officials and employers stating that if you want to keep your job, enter a business, go to a sports facility, cross borders, go to a concert or restaurant etc, then in reality you really had not much choice left about getting the jab. So my question to you is if none of these freedom restricting measures had been taken what percentage of the population would actually have willingly taken the shot initially, and now with all the evidence of severe adverse effects would still gladly line up for the boosters?

Just look back to the percent of population that got it before mandates began.