Trying to take a page from the Canadian Firearm Act are we?

[Gilroy]

The gun was an early Christmas gift from his parents: a semiautomatic 9-millimeter Sig Sauer handgun. “My new beauty,” Ethan Crumbley, 15, called it.
The day after Thanksgiving, he and his father had gone together to a Michigan gun shop to buy it. He and his mother spent a day testing out the gun, which was stored unlocked in the parents’ bedroom. On Monday, when a teacher reported seeing their son searching online for ammunition, his mother did not seem alarmed.






On the morning of Tuesday’s shooting, the suspect’s parents were urgently called to Oxford High School after one of his teachers found an alarming note he had drawn, scrawled with images of a gun, a person who had been shot, a laughing emoji and the words “Blood everywhere” and “The thoughts won’t stop. Help me.”

School officials told the parents during the in-person meeting that they were required to seek counseling for their son, Ethan, Ms. McDonald said. The teenager’s parents did not want their son to be removed from school that day, and did not ask him whether he had the gun with him or search the backpack he brought with him to the office, Ms. McDonald said.

“The notion that a parent could read those words and also know their son had access to a deadly weapon, that they gave him, is unconscionable, and I think it’s criminal,” she said.

He was allowed back to class.




A few hours later, authorities say, Ethan Crumbley moved from ominous words and drawings into actual bloodshed. At 12:50 p.m., the


authorities said, he walked into a bathroom carrying his backpack, emerged with the handgun and began to fire.

At 1:22 p.m., as news of the shooting tore through Oxford, prosecutors said, Jennifer Crumbley texted her son: “Ethan don’t do it.”

But it was too late.

At 1:37 p.m., James Crumbley called 911 to say that a weapon was missing from his house, and that his son could be the gunman at Oxford High, prosecutors said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/03/u...-shooting.html

[Gun Nut]

The gun was an early Christmas gift from his parents: a semiautomatic 9-millimeter Sig Sauer handgun. “My new beauty,” Ethan Crumbley, 15, called it.
The day after Thanksgiving, he and his father had gone together to a Michigan gun shop to buy it. He and his mother spent a day testing out the gun, which was stored unlocked in the parents’ bedroom. On Monday, when a teacher reported seeing their son searching online for ammunition, his mother did not seem alarmed.






On the morning of Tuesday’s shooting, the suspect’s parents were urgently called to Oxford High School after one of his teachers found an alarming note he had drawn, scrawled with images of a gun, a person who had been shot, a laughing emoji and the words “Blood everywhere” and “The thoughts won’t stop. Help me.”

School officials told the parents during the in-person meeting that they were required to seek counseling for their son, Ethan, Ms. McDonald said. The teenager’s parents did not want their son to be removed from school that day, and did not ask him whether he had the gun with him or search the backpack he brought with him to the office, Ms. McDonald said.

“The notion that a parent could read those words and also know their son had access to a deadly weapon, that they gave him, is unconscionable, and I think it’s criminal,” she said.

He was allowed back to class.




A few hours later, authorities say, Ethan Crumbley moved from ominous words and drawings into actual bloodshed. At 12:50 p.m., the


authorities said, he walked into a bathroom carrying his backpack, emerged with the handgun and began to fire.

At 1:22 p.m., as news of the shooting tore through Oxford, prosecutors said, Jennifer Crumbley texted her son: “Ethan don’t do it.”

But it was too late.

At 1:37 p.m., James Crumbley called 911 to say that a weapon was missing from his house, and that his son could be the gunman at Oxford High, prosecutors said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/03/u...-shooting.html

I still of the opinion, that the parents may not have been complicit in the shooting, contrary to what she said. I still see it, as not that much different than the Sand Hook shooting where the shooter carried out his deed independent of his mother. In both cases the suspects had access to the firearm in the home, removed it and carried out their intentions. Maybe the parents will end up with good lawyer who can cast some reasonable doubt on the circumstance. In that jurisdiction there is no law preventing the father from having an unsecured firearm, in the home. The same I believe was the situation at Sand Hook. .

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

[410001661]

That would normally be true if a kid stole the gun from home,but,the parents bought it for him knowing he was psychotic. When confronted by the school,they refused to act. That makes them criminally neglegent. That's a huge difference. Those two mutts for "parents" need to do hard time. They'll get ZERO sympathy from me.

I agree 100% and the parents should be charged no differently than if they pulled the trigger themselves

[Gun Nut]

That would normally be true if a kid stole the gun from home,but,the parents bought it for him knowing he was psychotic. When confronted by the school,they refused to act. That makes them criminally neglegent. That's a huge difference. Those two mutts for "parents" need to do hard time. They'll get ZERO sympathy from me.

The kid's diary makes it pretty clear that, the father took steps to at least hide the gun and the kid went to some length to find it He fundamentally stole the gun and putting the gun in his book bag to take to school. Apparent down there guns do not have to be disabled with trigger locks, so the father seems to have done what was necessary to keep the gun from the kid.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

[Badenoch]

The kid's diary makes it pretty clear that, the father took steps to at least hide the gun and the kid went to some length to find it He fundamentally stole the gun and putting the gun in his book bag to take to school. Apparent down there guns do not have to be disabled with trigger locks, so the father seems to have done what was necessary to keep the gun from the kid.

You don't stop hunting because you grow old. You grow old because you stop hunting.
- Gun Nut

The father did not do what "was necessary" to prevent the kid from getting the gun. He had no problem getting it, showing it off on social media, bragging that it was his and then taking it to school and killing 4 people.

https://nypost.com/2021/12/01/michig...than-crumbley/

[Cameracutter]

I thought it was the price of freedom in the USA?

https://globalnews.ca/news/8493684/t...s-walmart/amp/

[410001661]

I thought it was the price of freedom in the USA?

https://globalnews.ca/news/8493684/t...s-walmart/amp/

With ownership comes responsibility. Simple storage laws would correct this - not gun control........buy whatever gun(s) you want, but just store them properly

[Cameracutter]

With ownership comes responsibility. Simple storage laws would correct this - not gun control........buy whatever gun(s) you want, but just store them properly

Seems like a good idea. But that would infringe on someone’s rights would it not?

[mosquito]

With ownership comes responsibility. Simple storage laws would correct this - not gun control........buy whatever gun(s) you want, but just store them properly

That logic only seems to disconnect for the left on firearms, for now, give them time and we will be restricted to taking the bus or a smart car and a 2" pearing knife in the kitchen and foam baseball bats. You can buy a Mustang or Lamborghini or Corvette that will double the speed limit, when used illegally and without regards for others but few are idiotic enough (there are a tiny few) that say they should be banned because they can break the law, the respect the person using it responsibly. There are leftards that want the govt to control everything and put absolutes on everything though but for now few are saying that we should all live in mass condo communities, take the bus and abide by the 2030 "you will own nothing" trash. Firearms though if they look scary or there is a criminal somewhere using it wrong they feel the need to demand the law abiding turn them in though, the law abiding seem more an issue to them than the criminals. People using it irresponsibly or not obeying reasonable laws seem less an issue! Storage laws are like the seat belt and speeding laws and it has been pointed out and seems right that statistically in Canada a PAL owner is half as likely to be criminally charged than police officer. Yet our current govt is claiming the law abiding are a problem and their firearms need to be seized, while using the secrecy act to shut down questions about the OIC.

[Gilroy]

mosquito,

" Yet our current govt is claiming the law abiding are a problem and their firearms need to be seized, while using the secrecy act to shut down questions about the OIC."


Perhaps the present government is simply following the precedent set by past Conservative governments?


https://ipolitics.ca/2015/09/02/two-...ent-canadians/